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Excavators need to be cheaper.

5. The 1 system renters are getting hosed over right?

It really depends on how many people they're trying to cram into 1 system. 10 will be fine. 15 will be a little annoying for those involved. 20 would be a bit overkill but you could still mine for 5 hours straight during your corps prime time netting you 16+ billion isk worth of ore. Possibly as high as 30b per day if you keep rolling the anoms all day long.

You'll have to ask the renters if it's still worth renting under those conditions.

6. Summary and final thoughts

It's a %12 nerf to rorqual yield that will require alliances that stack their miners in 1 or 2 systems to spread out. It brings the rorqual isk/hour down to the point where it's comparable to nullsec carrier ratting. This is probably a good thing as the rorqual will no longer be the automatic end goal for new players looking to make isk in nullsec. Untimely this new nerf may be annoying for us miners but is an appropriate adjustment.

My only complaint is the price of excavators. Their yield has been drastically cut since they were introduced but they still cost 1 billion isk each. It now takes 57 hours of mining in a rorqual to pay for the hull+fit+drones, an absurdly high ROI time compared to something like a carrier (17 hours) which makes similar isk/hour. It also poses a very high barrier of entry to people looking to get into their first rorqual. 3 billion for the hull and fittings + 5 billion isk for the drones is a very high price for a ship that makes less than 2x 300 million isk hulks.

My suggestion would be to leave the cost of the excavators as they are but double the mining amount of t2 drones. This would give rorq pilots a lower risk/reward option but still incentivize people who can afford excavators to continue using them.

Using your numbers, run Colossal > Large > Enormous > Large and repeat which would support 15 miners in a system

0 - 2h48 Colossal (start 5h Colossal timer)
2h48-4h13 Large (3h35 left on Col, start 2h Large)
4h13 - 6h20 Enormous (1h32 left on Col, Large respawned, start 4hr Enormous)
6h20 - 7h45 Large (7m left on Col, 2h35 left on Enorm, start 2h Large)

Pretty sure this isn't how most people fit their Rorquals, hence part of the problem, most people don't have the luxury of mining with 10 other rorquals for defense with supers ready to drop right around the corner. They need those 2 mid slots and usually two of those rig slots to make a balanced defense. Which is what makes these complaints, the vast majority of rorqual pilots start with lower yield than this, and it's only getting lower, but the ship still requires a minimum 8bn isk investment.

Excavators need to be cheaper.

I suppose next month's Fozzie brilliant idea would be re-spawn timers for high-end null-sec ratting anomalies: Forsaken Hub - 10 minutes, Haven - 20 minutes, Sanctum - 30 minutes.

BUT WE PAY FOR A SUBSCRIPTION WE DESERVE NO CHANGE...... AT LEAST I PAY THE ANUAL SUBSCRIPTION

Hi Fozzie

Actually it does impact on total yield if you do it in a time scale. Isk generation is calculated by 'ticks' (20 minute payout blocks) or ISK Per Hour (60 minute blocks). Travel time is exactly that...time. 12.5% speed reduction is (very rough napkin math out of my butthole)say 3% yield reduction per hour, ontop of the flat 9% actual yield reduction per hour, we are at minimum looking at 10-12% total yield reduction, depending on how close you hump your rocks.

One time the drone could be 500 meters from you when they finish their cycle, the next it could be on the other side of the rock at 4km from you. The first is (at base 175m/s from what I remember seeing on teh SiSi pic) pretty much instant dock and relaunch. The 4km distant one has got 10-15 seconds of travel time. Split the difference and it's 7 seconds per cycle to either return, or go to an asteroid, 14 seconds round trip. Cycle time is what? 60 seconds now? So your looking at 22-25% extra non-mining time assuming your humping the rock, on average. So for your 60 minutes mining...your only mining 45 minutes and 15 minutes is travel time. Thus travel time and drone speed DOES in fact factor into yield indirectly

A 5 slot rorq can tank 10k dps sustained, and has a PANIC module that literally makes it invulnerable for several minutes. If that's not enough tank/time to save you then it's highly doubtful a few more mid slots and rigs will make a difference. Also, if you're flying an 8 billion isk ship that must be sieged to work properly without a support fleet you may want to re-evaluate whether or not you should be flying a rorq.

I do agree that excavator prices need to be significantly cheaper to match their reduced yield, or alternatively buff the yield on t2 drones to provide a viable low cost option.

Good job on killing mining for new players. Large rorq mining fleets will just jump from system to system. The newbies in procs on the other hand will have a much harder time finding ore.

Great job killing mining for newbees.

Thanks fozzie.

Then your leaders should take actions against you for screwing up the new "bees".