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At what point will you concede that on grid boosting for mining was a mistake. The carrot you used to bring the boosting ships out of poses has killed the traditional mining gameplay, and that that carrot was way over powered to make it palatable to the player base. The lower skilled player gameplay of the mining barge miner is all but gone, she now needs to mine in the same belt as a sieged rorq.

Why don't you turn half the rorqs into refineries and allow them to provide corp/fleet boosts based on access standings.

Re purpose the rorq and orca as bulk moon material / PI / Mineral / Ore transport.

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They wont nerf High Sec, the land of training wheels and trophies for competing, instead null sec mining will become nerfed, then there will be changes to null sec anoms when we all super rat, so we will go back to the tried and true methods of unlimited wealth in eve, namely high sec incursions or faction warfare on dedicated out of alliance alts.

CCP Fozzie,

I thought you wanted people to play Eve. Not log off from the game. I thought you wanted a vibrant game environment around the clock. That's the appeal of the single-shard server, right? So why are you blocking entire chunks of the player base out of activities?

You know that not everyone occupies an entire region, right? Not everyone can move from system to system mining continuously. Why are you forcing people into region-wide coalitions in order to do anything?

Please explain to me why mining should be a time-zone restricted activity. Didn't we go through this resource depletion years ago? When people who were able to log in immediately after downtime could strip belts and people unable to log in then got nothing? Or they could take all the nice loot from the complexes and leave nothing for everyone else? You do remember those days, right? Because that's what you have given us with this change.

If someone has cherry-picked my available belts and left only the bad rocks for me to mine, under your system, I can mine for hours making 50m/hour in a 12B ISK ship andI never get the benefit of clearing the belt, because all I am doing is benefiting someone else who logs in after I am asleep and cherry-picks the belt again. It happens all the time with ice belts now. I watch people alarm clock to be the first to log in and go get the good ice. Then they go play another game or do something else until some other sucker finishes the belt and the four hour timer is over.

Why would I bother trying to finish off a cherry-picked belt if the best I can hope for is to then log off for five hours in hopes of getting some decent ore? Do you want people to play this game or not?

Or, if I finish off a cherry-picked small belt, I get rewarded with twenty minutes of inactivity or another activity. At least make the rocks in the smaller belts worth sticking a Rorqual on without having to reposition every few minutes.

Or, even if I am not a miner, why is it a bad thing that people are out there stuck in space, unable to warp off, mining rocks, around the clock? I want targets I can hunt in every time zone. I want activity around the clock in Eve. I don't want that activity to consist 100% of Carriers and Supercarriers who are fully aligned towards Citadels and warp off the instant I enter local. That's no fun at all, but that's what you are causing.

This change is as bad as allowing the horrible time zone tanking citadel mechanics to continue. Please reconsider it. Come up with something, anything, that makes people get out in space and do things.

We've made that case as well. If you beat the hell out of a pirate faction 24/7, why do they not learn to move or not come back as quickly. Ratting shouldn't be immune to over farming, but we do have to be careful that we don't go too far and chip away at the changes that encouraged higher player density because those did have a purpose within the grand scheme of sov nullsec. I'm not sure that timers are the trick in that case, but I do think CCP hasn't pulled the levers they have on ISK faucets the way they have on resource faucets.

This is a great change, rorqs should never have been turned into the endgame for mining, it should have stayed a mining support vessel, augmenting exhumers and not replacing them, yet in the fevor to force them into the belt they were far over buffed to entice people to provide them as killmails for the years of tears of them being safe inside shields. Now look at the oversaturation of the market, minerals, capitals, subcaps that arnt t2.

All this change does is spread mining out into more systems. screw over smaller people, and further put people under the boot of a block with more space.

expect to see all of someone's owned space go to 6 adm's, with belts getting camped on a timer.

no one will be using barges anymore, we've already seen that despite the cost, you are far better served in having more rorquals than any other ship on the field to flip belts as fast as possible especially now that you are considering belt timers.

This will only encourage the spread of big entities in holding swaths of space purely to pump their war machine for more capitals.

Goons will hold the entire west side of null just to support their mining needs.

NC PL already hold the north east pretty firmly and can just filter through horde for their needs.

Testco don't believe in miners and will just buy caps from low sec or elsewhere.

Your changes are both ineffective and annoying to bottom line players.

Don't **** with the industry players, you should know this by now.

So it's 2011 again at CCP and they intend to drive more people to buy plex vs. earning in game?

if you're killing rorq yields AND speed AND anom refresh rates, what are you really balancing? Your paycheck? Because you don't deserve a raise with this BS.

Seriously, I understand your desire to ruin Goons (well that one guy who multiboxes what is it? 80 to 100 rorqs?) empire, but come on man, this is heavy handed and petty. The number of people who have injected millions of skillpoints to get into rorqs, the number of killmails generated by killing rorqs...you tell me. Is this really a smart business decision?

Maybe we got too used to easy money. Which it always has been and always will be because they want players to have enough to finance their game play. But the earn-in-game versus earn-out-of-game and buy PLEX has been a calculation since GTCs (and later PLEX) were introduced. For the record, I'm not wholeheartedly endorsing a nerf to incomes. I was just answering a question and saying that some of the faucets are dated, need to be reviewed from time to time and there may be ways of doing that other than simply knocking on payouts directly. But in my terrible opinion, resource faucets are much more important in that regard because other than PLEX, I don't think excess ISK dramatically impacts inflation.