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Forming the Strategic Cruiser Focus Group

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CCP Fozzie
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2017-05-18 13:33:05 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Fozzie
Hello insightful capsuleers!
At the Ship and Module Balance presentation during Fanfest 2017 we discussed the plans for a major rebalance of Tech 3 Cruisers this summer. This segment is available for viewing on our YouTube channel if you missed it.

Following the example of the successful Tactical Destroyer focus group, we are opening applications for a new Strategic Cruiser Focus Group to help refine and improve the designs for this T3 Cruiser rework.
The goal of the group will be to provide CCP feedback from a smaller group than the general EVE community for faster discussion with improved clarity. We want the group to be composed of experts from a wide variety of gameplay styles impacted by Strategic Cruisers so that we can hear as many relevant perspectives as possible. We will be aiming to form the focus group with between 10 and 15 members.

  • We will use this forum thread to accept applications from players who wish to participate in the focus group
  • The decision on which players are invited to the focus group will be made by CCP, with strong consideration given to recommendations from CSM members
  • Active CSM members are all welcome to join the focus group either as participants or observers if they wish
  • This focus group will not receive any secret information and therefore will not be required to sign any NDAs
  • The logs of the channel automatically be published to the public for transparency. Everyone can see what is being discussed, but only focus group members and CCP devs can actually talk in the channel
  • When selecting focus group members, we will be looking for people who can demonstrate the ability to communicate effectively and provide reasoned and calm feedback. We also want the members to have significant experience flying the Strategic Cruisers and to have strong knowledge of EVE gameplay, fittings and balance
  • The focus group will take place in a Slack team, so members will need to be able to use Slack
  • The focus group will operate in English, so although members of all nationalities are welcome they must be able to clearly communicate in English

If you think that you would make a good fit for this Focus Group please post in this forum thread explaining why you think you would be a good fit. Mentioning the kind of T3 Cruiser gameplay you are most familiar with can help us pick a group that contains a wide variety of perspectives.
In your forum post please provide the explanation of why you think we should consider you for the focus group. Simply posting “Me!” or “Invite me.” is not particularly helpful to us when we are choosing the team.

Thanks, and we hope many of you will apply to join us for this focus group!
-Team Five 0

Game Designer | Team Five-0

Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
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CCP Fozzie
C C P Alliance
#2 - 2017-05-18 13:33:22 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Fozzie
Now that the focus group has started, we are unstickying this thread and moving the discussion over to a new thread that will cover the active focus group.

Game Designer | Team Five-0

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CCP Fozzie
C C P Alliance
#3 - 2017-05-18 13:33:27 UTC

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Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2017-05-18 14:10:02 UTC
I would like to be a part of this focus group. I have slack running on my phone at all times for work these days, so I will be much more active than before :).

Also since I begged for T3 rebalance for years, can I pretty please be in on the group?

Thx <3
Timoxa Zero
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#5 - 2017-05-18 14:14:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Timoxa Zero
Hi, I'm Timoxa Zero, CEO of a small-gang wormhole corp with a nullsec static.

We use T3s on a daily basis in a wide range of environments. Namely 100MN shield T3s and Heavy Armor for Nullsec and Wormhole brawls, but also hunting T3s and links in some of our larger fleets. I wish to see the interests of wormholers and small hang pilots represented in this focus group and I think I can bring good experience.
raknor bile
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#6 - 2017-05-18 14:16:15 UTC
I would like to be apart of this focus group.
i have had experiance with nearly all types of T3 fleets from armor lokis to 'slipery petes' and just about every other combination that has been used in fleet warfare including counter play to these fleets.
I am a nullsec fleet commander with normal fleet size of around 100 pilots.
Act-Mack PVT
Psychotic Tendencies.
#7 - 2017-05-18 14:16:33 UTC
I would like to be a part of the focus group. I have had lots of experience with tech 3's in my time playing Eve online, even having my all time top ship being the proteus. I was a member to TISHU MKIV when we were one of the first alliances to adopt the hammercat proteus doctrine used by every alliance today back in 2013 and have seen multiple evolutions. I have flown everything from arty lokis to alliance tournament tinker tengu's. I can run slack or any program on my phone so I will always be available for discussion.
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2017-05-18 14:16:39 UTC

I would like to be considered for this focus group as I have flown T3 cruisers since their inception, both as solo/small gang ships and also within fleets of varying size, in both lowsec and nullsec.

Having played for 11 years I consider myself well versed in gameplay mechanics, ship fitting and general balance of ships and mods in various scenarios, am an excellent communicator and also have 24/7 access to slack, forums and reddit etc.


"It's better to to stay silent and appear stupid, than to open your mouth and leave no doubt!"

Lucia Denniard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#9 - 2017-05-18 14:27:14 UTC
I'd like to be considered for this focus group, I have a few years of experience flying T3 cruisers in nullsec and wormhole space at scales from small gang up to strategic fleets, including unusual variations such as slippery petes and 100mn comps.

I'm generally around during the day and available on instant messaging platforms and have been involved in selecting comps/fits for alliance-level doctrines and alliance tournament comps.
Capri Sun KraftFoods
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2017-05-18 14:27:34 UTC
Hi I'm Capri Sun KraftFoods

I've been flying and FCing T3s in null sec, low sec and more recently w-space for over 3 years. I was also on the null sec focus group, so I'm already on the slack server.

The concept announced so far for the revamp sounds great to me, I just think there's a lot of number crunching and analysis to be done to make sure the balance is spot on.
Lemkor Gengod
Stacmon Production and Trade Institue
#11 - 2017-05-18 14:28:36 UTC
Hey there

I would like to be part o the focus group for a completely different reason to most of the other applicants. I am one of New Edens most prolific T3 manufacturers producing in the region of 25bil of T3 stuff every couple of days and would like to give some input as to how the changes will effect us high end industrialists.

I am also partial to a bit of Rail Proteus Pvp on my PVP toon when I can get time away from the industry window :)

Half Empty
#12 - 2017-05-18 14:33:41 UTC

I would like to be part of this focus group. I have experience in flying and theory crafting T3 doctrines for large and small scale fleets for multiple years. I am part of one of the few groups that uses shield T3s in large scale and we also use armor T3s as links, ewar and logi.

I am able to run slack and am available pretty much all of the time.
Olmeca Gold
The Free Folk
#13 - 2017-05-18 14:39:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Olmeca Gold
Hi everyone.

I would like to be a part of this focus group.

On my 10 characters across 4 accounts the single ship type that all of them can use are T3 cruisers. They are not only the main kind of ship I use, I use them in niche ways that I am guessing might be underrepresented in the kind of discussion that is found on Eve related media. T3Cs have been highly versatile to cater for many different needs. Here are some my previous experiences that diverge from the mainly mentioned uses (WH/null fleets etc.):

Nullsec DED runner hunting with a improved cloaky/mdw/nullified/drone/neut Proteus.
Small Scale PvP with the same Proteus.
D-SCAN and combat scan "whalehunting" (hunting for PvE capitals) in nullsec.
Dualboxing neutralizer Legion/Proteus to camp/kill j-space PvE marauders (and below).
L4 FW mission running in shield/drone/improved cloak/mwd/12 AU/s Proteuses, which are basically the best ships for this purpose.
C3 PvE with Tengus and nullsec DED's in Proteuses.
Combining solo black ops hunting and nullsec exploration with hybrid fit Tengus.
100 mn wormhole baiter Tengus.
Remote repair drone Proteuses for small scale PvP fleet doctrines, for wh defense etc.
Webber, primary drone anchor Lokis for the same doctrines.
Logi Tengus for blops hotdrops.
Tengus with 6x faction scrams so your small blops group can hold down a Supercapital.
Covert Cloaky smartbomber T3Cs to hunt explorers or sabotage frigate sized fleets.
Hotdropping covert cloaky T3Cs and then switching offensive subsystems via mobile depots.
Null/WH to Jita low volume valuable item hauling in T3Cs.
T3Cs as ultimate scanners/explorers in J-space (e.g. using a fully skilled scanner toon in a Tengu with RSS probes, doing wh Ghost Sites in them).
I even have a salvager/hacker hybridTengu to clear C5 data/relics after killing the NPC's.
I am sure I have a fit just to steal ISK from people's ESS's in nullsec.

My impression is that a lot of the discussion so far revolved around more common uses of T3Cs, such as Slippery Petes or other large fleet doctrines (e.g. how they overshadow HAC's etc). I find most of these issues agreeable. But I also believe playstyles I have mentioned above should be at least part of the discussion when it comes to a huge rebalance. I think the ideal rebalance would (1) address the main worries that have been raised so far, (2) while doing that in a way that is as non-invasive as possible for various niche but valuable playstyles that T3Cs have been enabling. I see my role in the group as someone who helps especially to achieve the part (2). Particularly, covert cloaky T3C scene is bound to change a lot with the proposed system in the Fanfest. It has basically been my area of expertise in both solo and fleet warfare (in FCing NPSI fleets that utilize T3Cs) for the past three years. Hence I think I would be a valuable source of feedback for this focus group.

Thanks for reading.

Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.

Youtube channel.

Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2017-05-18 14:41:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Compayn
Hi I'm Compayn and would like to be considered for this focus group.

I have worked with T3 cruisers mostly in the context of wormhole space, where we use them on a daily basis in a wide variety of roles, and engagement sizes from small gank fleets to larger brawls and even for PvE.

My views would represent the middle tier of wormhole corps, who use T3s on a regular basis but lack the raw numbers that older, more established groups have, giving us a very different perspective.

I'm also currently working from home and have plenty of free time to be involved in slack conversations throughout the day.
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#15 - 2017-05-18 14:52:30 UTC
Put me up for this focus group.

My experience with t3s is primarily their usage as cyno hunter/scanner in low/null areas of space.
As an individual who primarily uses capitals as main combat ships, T3 cruisers are an essential part of how I play. And as such I would like to see this 'support' role preserved and even extended beyond the current proteus/tengu setup.


People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.

Jonn Duune
Wrong Hole.
#16 - 2017-05-18 14:52:58 UTC
My name is Jonn Duune and I've been using t3cs since about 2010. I have several characters that are perfectly skilled t3c pilots, across all 4 races. I have used them in every role that they are capable of, from hunters, dps boats, EWAR, logistics in solo, small and medium gang PVP experiences. I have also used t3cs in PVE in nullsec and wormhole space, and understand how they work. In the utility roles, i have used jamgus (shield and armour), neut legions, covops scanners of all 4 t3cs, and have a very broad variety of experiences.

Also with experience in wormhole space is quite extensive, as I have lived in c2 through c6 space, and as a FC in spectre, I routinely fly, or fly with t3cs in a broad variety of engagements throughout eve.

I have connections to newbros who have just started the game, giving the ability to understand how t3cs feel from your newest players to vets such as myself.

You can see on my main, Jonn Duune, the times I've used t3cs, everything from links boats, to hunters, to small fleet, and i think i'd make a good impact on trying to bring t3cs in line with where they're desired to be in game.

My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.

#17 - 2017-05-18 15:02:05 UTC  |  Edited by: StarFleetCommander
Hello all,

I would like to be considered to be apart of the focus group due to my experience Fcing and fighting tech'3s in null sec Back in TRI and in Verge Of Collapse ( Which was one of the first groups to actively used Armor Tech3's in null sec ) and more recently flying shield 100mn/Petes Tengus as in thera we used tengus as our main "Doctrine".

Also would like to take into consideration the impact tech3's could have on next years alliance tournament as they are all underused. I also theory craft for the Last 5-6 years of eve tournaments so i have a very good understanding of game mechanics.

My Views are a general one, i favor balanced game play over everything, must keep in mind fleet usage and the small scale usage. Certain aspects of the tech3's as they are now are either broken or just not used so i would hope we could get some great versatility from the new rework, to make tech's stand out as something unique.
Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2017-05-18 15:06:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Switch Savage
I would be interested in being a part of this focus group. My experience in T3 Cruisers comes mainly from solo/small gang dedicated hunting/killing of PVE vessels as well as small gang PvP, both utilising unique T3C fits that push the boundaries of what is currently possible.

My view point would be as mentioned that of solo and small gang T3C use which i am concerned is an aspect that could be overlooked during the rebalance. I am active on slack as The Tuskers Co use this as our main form of communication. On top of my years of experience utilising and fitting these ships I would also bring to bear the wealth of knowledge from The Tuskers Co.

Thank you for your consideration.

Switch Savage
The Red Island Foundation
#19 - 2017-05-18 15:16:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Gremk
I would really like to be apart of this group. I've done a lot of AT / TQ theory crafting for pretty much everything you can push out of a T3 (I think we have at least 10-15 different fleet T3 fits for various roles). I understand the ins and outs and the roles currently used for T3s and will do my best to help come up with something that makes sense going forward for these ships.

I've used and FC'd these ships in solo, small gang, medium gang, and large scale fights. I know engagement ranges, what each variant can do and the full mechanics of what is currently there extremely well.

Environments in which I've used: Lowsec, Nullsec, Highsec, Wormhole, Alliance Tournaments
Use in TQ: Links (pre and post patch), Exploration, PvE (high/low/null sec missions, anoms, ded sites), Hunters, Utility for Fleets, Main DPS Doctrine, Logistics
Use in AT: Tinker comps, DPS platform (it has been a while)

I know the ins and outs of each T3 EXTENSIVELY.

I'm usually pretty good at understanding the big picture when changes are announced or being discussed and have a strong understanding of balance. Also, I'm already on Discord & Slack 24/7 so should have high availability via text.
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#20 - 2017-05-18 15:18:15 UTC
Throwing my name into the hat.

I have extensive experience using all flavors of T3s throughout wormhole space, and some in null as hunters or blopsing. I have been heavily involved over the years in changing and adapting all 4 cruisers for various uses in PVP, scouting, and PVE as the game has evolved. I consider myself well versed in the fits and doctrines that work, as well as why many of the subsystem/combinations did not, and hope we can succeed in getting a more balanced, and utilized set.

As the main bread and butter of wormholes, these changes will undoubtedly shake things up considerably, and I would like to make sure that all uses, are taken into consideration.

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