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Forming the Strategic Cruiser Focus Group

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Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#21 - 2017-05-18 15:21:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Deacon Abox
Not me.

But, please don't fill this group with Strategic Cruiser apologists. You will accomplish nothing. I was not encouraged by your tactical destroyer rebalance. Certain ships in this game are still too powerful both within class and across class. I wont bother listing them because I believe you know very well which they are. So, here is hoping you have the courage to break out the Sledge Hammer or Battle Axe.

Tech III cruisers currently step all over tech I BCs and BSs. No reason to fleet those ships exists. The game is all tech III or pirate ship or go home. Hell, the old days of sniper BSs was better than anytime that has followed. At least with sniper BSs they weren't a monoculture. Now it is all Machs and Gilas and tech III cruisers and still svipuls etc. There was a brief flowering of mixed tech I cruiser or BC but that fell away quickly. Lastly, the damn Tech III cruiser subsystems still obsolete recons and command ships.

Why not address the ease of shifting the tech III cruiser transformability. That is what they should be anyway, right? One hull that you can tweak on the fly or without a huge fuss to accomplish different roles but not take over the niche of the tech II ships in those roles. Presently they do take over the niches despite your previous attempts, like with command subsystems.

I know your job is very hard. But please don't lose this opportunity to diversify the game. A focus group of tech III fanbois will accomplish nothing for the health of the game.

edit: oh yeah forgot to mention, AHACs are not even HACs anymore, says a lot.

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#22 - 2017-05-18 15:22:16 UTC
Can you consider spliting focus group into four sub-groups one for each T3C, I know how to fly Tengu but have no idea how to fit Proteus for example.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Marciniusz Solo
#23 - 2017-05-18 15:24:42 UTC
I would like to join the group to provide input on T3 Cruisers, as I gathered some experience over the years of using them. I have used them a lot for PVE, which would be my main focus, but also general PVP, including solo/small gang nano warfare or Black Ops hunting, and last but not least, exploration. My experience comes from k-space only, null sec at most, but also some of the low and high sec.

As of the rebalance, I would like to be a counterpart to most of the group that will be PVP-oriented, and give an opinion about PVE aspects and possibilities of the T3 Cruisers - not exclusively though, as I am able to speak about both.

Thank you.
Kappa 4Head
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2017-05-18 15:26:29 UTC
I would like to be considered for this focus group.

I've used T3Cs pretty much all the time for what is now my 2nd year in EVE. I've experienced and am familiar almost every PVP role they're capable of, including strategic armor, 100mn, long-range doctrines and logi, as well as nullsec high-end DED PVE. I am widely familiar with the topic of hunter T3Cs of all kinds, fits and sizes, which is in my opinion one of the most important roles these ships currently posess.

I would like to be a part of the feedback team as my gameplay is very tightly connected to the future rebalance. I'm available at all times during the day through slack and other messeging services.
Gustav Mannfred
Summer of Mumuit
Remember Mumuit
#25 - 2017-05-18 15:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Gustav Mannfred
Hi there

I would line to be part of the focus group as well

I use T3 cruisers pretty often, mostly in pve. I have good knowledge of balance in the game and can help out with the good and bad things.

My uses were:
Running c3 and c4 wormhole sites in a legion
Running c5 sites in a tengu
Hi sec exploration
Nullsec escalation runs and much more

I actually never pvped with t3, but still from watching videos of people that pvp in t3 ships, I know some of the issues there. Examples are the cap stable dual battery blaster tengus that tank any gang without really having to worry about cap.
But there are other issues as well in general, like fitting issues on ham tengu or the strong dependence of the pg subsystems. Also there are subsystems that dont make sense at all, like the dual weapon one on the loki.

I would like to be part in that group as the way I use them is strongly dependent of the future changes, also you have a player with over 8 years of gaming experience. Im available on slack mostly at weekends and evenings

i'm REALY miss the old stuff.

Rejuice K
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2017-05-18 15:46:13 UTC
hi i would like to join

i have used t3cs in the following manners

blackops hunting
blackops other things, dps, logi, links etc
large fleet engagements
small and solo engagements
short ranged fleet logi
running ded sites
fleet support
Wildly Inappropriate
Wildly Inappropriate.
#27 - 2017-05-18 15:52:40 UTC

I would like to submit my name for the focus group. I've played since 2004 - experience with a wide range of ship types, but the Tengu and other T3's have always been a favorite. My experience in these are almost all PVP ranging from the hunter tengu to the great Slippery Pete.

Looking forward to the concept of changes to the whole T3 world - there's so much potential that these ships offer it's a very large project to try to revamp them. My hope is that changes will provide a new challenge in Eve, while still offering a wide range of viability to players.

I am very comfortable with fitting and extensive use of pyfa to build terrible fits that get blown up in beautiful explosions (Imperium Anger Games)

Thanks for consideration for the group - I'll happily send slack details if picked.
Thomas Lot
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2017-05-18 15:54:01 UTC
CCP Falcon and other Developers,

I respectfully submit my application for participation in the T3C Focus Group.

I am an active member of ProviBloc, serving as a line member of Warped Intentions and Elemental Tide Alliances within Providence. I have significant experiences with the Tech 3 Cruiser line, specifically with the Tengu as a Combat ship and PvE platform.

I will represent the interests of both combat pilots and PvE pilots using the platforms as either single player ships or as part of small group - large scale strategic implementation. I am open to listening to all opinions and play styles.

In my personal life, I am a Associate Professor of Mathematics at Auburn University, Auburn, Alabama, USA. I have significant experience participating in group studies and activities as a member and in a leadership capacity. I have 30 years teaching experience at the undergraduate and supervisory graduate levels.

I look forward to working with the group and with CCP.

Thank you for your consideration.

Cpt Patrick Archer
Blue Eyes and Exodia Toon Duelist Kingdom Duelers
#29 - 2017-05-18 16:19:39 UTC
frsd wrote:

I would like to be part of this focus group. I have experience in flying and theory crafting T3 doctrines for large and small scale fleets for multiple years. I am part of one of the few groups that uses shield T3s in large scale and we also use armor T3s as links, ewar and logi.

I am able to run slack and am available pretty much all of the time.

I vouch for frsd, he's one of the smartest people I know. He has a lot of knowledge about why ships/doctrines work they way they do, and he is at the top of the TRI and Vanguard theory-crafting team.

He knows how to maximize efficiency within a ships parameters and will have the highest chance to find aspects that are potentially under- or overpowered.
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#30 - 2017-05-18 16:22:39 UTC
Deacon Abox wrote:
Not me.

But, please don't fill this group with Strategic Cruiser apologists. You will accomplish nothing. I was not encouraged by your tactical destroyer rebalance.

the T3D changes were ok. capitals on the other hand lol
Tyler Burbon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2017-05-18 16:37:39 UTC
Hi I'm Tyler, acting CEO of Snuff Box and I'd like to be part of this, I've been successfully designing and using t3 cruiser fits for many years and i know alot about their strengths and weaknesess. We are using T3 Cruisers on a daily basis, they allow us to project through wormholes because of their small mass and offensive and defensive capabilities. i see why t3Cs are too strong but i think we need to focus on faction BS too
Job Center Plus
#32 - 2017-05-18 16:40:05 UTC

I would like to join this focus group. Having played on and off for almost 12 years now and having seen T3s from inception and various balance passes I think I can lend some experience to this group.

I fly all 4 T3Cs on my characters, using them for PvE (tengu and once upon a time loki), Hunting/Tackle (Proteus/Tengu), PvP (all 4 over the years) and general travel.

I can see the need to balance them now though and I think simplifying the subs is a good idea although it needs to be done rather carefully.

Would love to lend a hand.

Joan Andedare
Roving Guns Inc.
Pandemic Legion
#33 - 2017-05-18 16:53:03 UTC
I would like to join the group.

I have used T3Cs for null sec pvp (and I've had them used against me/the fleet I was in), pve (mostly DED sites) and (something that hasn't been mentioned here a lot) exploration (and some explorer hunting).

Independent on whether or not I make it on the group: T3Cs are incredibly versatile ships and currenlty cover what could just as well be half a dozen ships (at least). This means that a large amount of more niche roles have developed for them, other than the "mainstream" ones. This is something I'd like to see preserved after the rebalance and I hope that these roles are represented in the focus group.
#34 - 2017-05-18 17:22:32 UTC  |  Edited by: StainGuy
Please consider Tech 3 lowsec stargate from Stain.
Remember that our beloved Lord Sansha Kuvakei is the only one capable of making this balance in the correct way.
Sansha Nation have all knowledge about wormhole space required to make this happen.

Please visit one of our colonized wormholes if you have any doubt.
Havoc Ambramotte
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2017-05-18 17:30:19 UTC
Throwing my name in the hat here,

I have been hunting extensively for the past 3 years using all types of T3C's. I have noticed niche role that Tengus and including some Proteuses have in catching carriers ever since the citadel patch due to the extremely high-DPS output from the carriers. In the past few months, I have caught heaps of carriers, rorquals, and other ships used for PVE and managed to survive for the most part.

My main expertise in using T3Cs would be hunting and scanning for quick ganks. I would like to be a part of the focus group.
1 Royal Fleet Corps
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2017-05-18 17:34:56 UTC
I would like to be a part of this discussion.

I have been one of the most prolific FC's that has faced these ships at the fleet level for the last decade. I was the first to defeat a true tech3 fleet and have fought with or against them times far beyond counting.

This is a discussion worth having.
Cephei Kells
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#37 - 2017-05-18 17:36:11 UTC
I have no experience with T3s whatsoever but am willing to learn. I wish to train into one someday and so think my input would be crucial in offering this view point. The closest I have come to flying one before is when my corpmate helped me do an 8/10 complex which is harder than a 10/10 with a proteus and I was in a vexor navy issue.

This is why I would be a perfect candidate for these focus groups which attempt to incorporate all walks of life, Including those completely irrelevant.
Asher Elias
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2017-05-18 17:52:01 UTC
I'd like to be on the focus group.

I'm an FC for Goonswarm Federation. I host a podcast on FCing and fleet combat. I've been in all size engagements with t3s, from rail tengus with over 2000 people, 256 man armour t3 fleets, to doing solo roams with regengus and 100mn RLML legions. I've got over 1000 kills in tengus and proteus and 350 in legions. I've deployed to enemy space and lived out of mobile depots in a tengu fleets with my group Reavers for months at a time resupplying through WHs with blockade runners. I've done slippery petes and slippery boats (missile petes).

Like my post and I'll double your likes,
Asher Elias
Grella Khurelem
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2017-05-18 17:52:33 UTC
Good morning,

Training into a Tengu was one of earliest tasks suggested for me in Eve Online. Since that time, I've trained into several T3Cs with various alts for PVE and PVP activities. Over the past few years, my primary activities with T3Cs has been in large fleet combat while currently working into more fleet support roles with them.

In the past, I used T3Cs mostly for PVE. When I arrived in nullsec, my corp used them almost exclusively for ratting. When I lived in high sec, I also used them for mission running and was involved in some early anti-ganking with an ECM fit Tengu. T3Cs are amazing ships and just want to make sure that even with a rebalance, they continue to be useful across different playstyles.

I have Slack and can have it on to be available as need. Thanks for your time and consideration.
Benjamin Hamburg
#40 - 2017-05-18 18:02:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Benjamin Hamburg
Hey, I would like to join the focus group.

As a little bio, I'v been playing since 2010 and got into NS and PVP rapidly. Through my Eve career I'v been playing in GSF, Nulli Secunda, Hard Knocks, and now I returned for the last year and half with my old bros in Snails and Frogs.

My gameplay with tech 3 cruisers is or have been:

- Fleet fight (NS blob, WH eviction, large fight, etc)
- Small gang warfare (nano)
- PVE (NS DED, solo C2/C3 farming)
- Exploration

As of right now, my 2 main uses of tech 3 on a day to day basis are for small gang warfare and exploration which is also my main source of income through relic sites both in WH and NS.

Why do I want to be in the focus group?

- Tech 3 cruisers have been an important part of my gameplay, as it is for most WH players, so this focus group does really appeal to me.

- I have currently a lot of spare time, as I return to work just by the mid-summer. I'm going to be a lot available for the Dev, others group members, and the player base if needed.

- Game of balance: there is a lot of issues with Tech 3 cruisers that have been raised by the community. My goal is to give some ideas and voice my opinions about some of the compromises and proposed changes that could be made to put them in a better balanced position.

I can speak English and French and can use Slack as well.