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Forming the Strategic Cruiser Focus Group

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Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#41 - 2017-05-18 18:09:12 UTC
I submit myself because I believe I represent a minority gameplay style.

I am a Legion and Proteus pilot. I fly almost exclusively solo, primarily for exploration, but also ratting and (in the past) missions. I see EVE as a primarily economic game and thus avoid generally PVP due to the terrible risk/reward ratio. This makes me a dedicated PVE pilot, but I'm no carebear. I've used t3c's in hostile space, including running pirate l4's in nullsec while under enemy probes, I dodge gatecamps and roaming gangs on a regular basis, I've used psychological warfare to suppress 30-man gangs all by myself, I provide my own transport and logistics, and do all of this while dying rarely enough to turn a large profit. T3C's are the single enabling factor that allows me to play this way. My main goal is ensure that t3c's remain useful for solo, deep-space gameplay during the required (and justified) balance changes.
Matrosov Glengoski Razyashchiy
Vapor Lock.
#42 - 2017-05-18 18:16:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Matrosov Glengoski Razyashchiy

I am Matrosov and am the corp CEO/director (ceo alt) of eve's finest care bear corp in drone space. I have been more of a care bear for most of my eve career, I know the fittings and the quirks of all T3 cruisers. From 100mn fits to covert blops fitting. For most of my eve career I have used T3C's for a lot of things, and probably the most used ship(s) I use today. I mostly use T3C's for pvp as of lately.I would love to be part of the group and have the time to do so.
Silence Jin-mang
Stryker Industries
Stryker Group
#43 - 2017-05-18 18:36:14 UTC
Heyo pilots o/

So, I am no big name, no big wig, no I havent fc'd huge fleets, and no I definitely am not good at pvp by any means, but I think I understand t3c's pretty well. I've been playing for 6 years, and been using t3c's primarily for about 4 of those across mainly pve and wormhole pvp encounters and across 3 alts as well. I think I can bring a unique viewpoint towards this group with my use of them not as the typical pve monster or pvp fleet fit, but as the elusive scout that hunts silently for info and evades the detection of others through any means necessary. I know the strengths of their much less seen side of intel gathering and hunting, while also understanding what actually makes them stronger than most ships and combine the two to great effectiveness. I also feel, with a very extensive background in games development/testing, I understand the need for a check and balances, despite my love for the t3c, and I have already had ideas on how to rebalance the t3c to be a more jack of all trades, while preventing it from outscaling a t2`s specialization. That is the beauty of the t3c, is its ability to adapt to anything, but right now it doesnt have a huge set of downsides for that ability. Thus I want to bring more balance to the ships. Whether through buffing up underutilized aspects, to toning back the blatant power of others, as well as making all t3c`s equally viable in a variety of roles, over being slated to one or two specific roles.

I use slack on a day to day basis, and have no problems using it for this.
Gedrick frogue
Heuristic Industrial And Development
#44 - 2017-05-18 18:49:56 UTC
I'd like to join this group as i use T3's on a daily basis for many different things

I've been rattling around eve since early 2005 and have covered pretty much everything that eve has to offer, so I believe i can give some well rounded input into the forum


Nikolai Mazinkov
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2017-05-18 18:50:49 UTC
hola, yo soy Nikolai.

I would like to participate as someone with a broad sense of balance but also and appreciation for what makes each race and T3C unique from the solo, support, and mainline fleet perspectives.

My primary experience has been in the following areas:

Command Bursts
Wormhole Space Dweller
Solo PvP

The main things these I would bring to the table is a focus on:

Niche Roles and utilities that require a tight balance and fitting, especially in the solo, support, and scout arena.

The ability to be well fit for one role and refit for another that is part of this balance/change is huge in terms of wormhole and null life where logistics face challenges and adaptability can make or break you.

The things that make each race/T3C special, such as ewar, cap war, and tackle roles, a new look at drone options for the legion and proteus. This may also come into play when exploring differentiation & balance with T3Cs vs T2Cs.

And last, pew pew pew.


"Momento Mori", Remember That You Must Die

Caldari State
#46 - 2017-05-18 18:56:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Eustise
I'm sure you guys will get enough null and WH experts as well as PvE krabbing expertise.

Personally i'd want to expand the pool of veterancy by providing an unique outlook on using T3Cs. I have years of exploration experience, using T3Cs as universal explorers, doing Sleeper Caches, traversing space and using them in a nomadic style, switching builds and fits to engage in Combat Sites, as well as Ghost Sites and the odd PvP. I truly think they fill the niche of the 'Rolls Royce' of exploration that the Nestor or any other ship cannot fill.

Aside from that, i also have vast wormhole experience using Legions and Legions with Legions shooting Legions as well as in using TC3's in large null bloc warfare. To add on top, i farmed my fair share of stuff in a Tengu, including 10/10's solo.

My daily activity and positive constructive criticism is guaranteed.
biggus dickus Aurilen
#47 - 2017-05-18 18:57:56 UTC
hello all,

A little bit of an intro of me, I started playing in 2012, and took a break till 2014 after i got back to give it a second chance and fell in love again. The first T3C i got in was a Tengu and i used it for running missions and some highsec sites. I learned about Bombers Bar and started hunting for them. This was the time first i used my tengu in combat. i moved quickly to null sec and thats where the game really started. The T3C is the bread and butter for almost everything in nullsec.

All the stuff i've done with T3C range from:

Highsec missions.
Highsec, lowsec and nullsec exploration.
WH space (C1 to C3) sites.
Hunter Killer for multiple entities.
Small gang PvP.
T3C logi
T3C links
Large scale battles with T3C's.

By most of the things i've used my T3C i had to came up with my own fit, or modified it so that it suites me the best. For example, comming up with a viable proteus fit as a HK, that is just as fast as the feared tengu. I have had much succes with that and put the Proteus on the map as a hunting platform for BB and many other people.

The T3C is my second most flown shiptype in the game, and i think i would be an asset to the focus group in order to elevate the T3C's to a well balanced shiptype in the game. What I expect from the focus group is that they will balance out the ships, while keeping its versatility so that every aspect of the ship remain.

offcourse slack and english wont be a problem at all.

o7, biggus dickus
Ailra Rai
White Stag Exit Bag
#48 - 2017-05-18 19:10:23 UTC
I believe I'm a good fit for the group as I have flown and killed my fair share of T3C's

I've flown tengus and proteii in Highsec as a Wardeccer (Proteus was drone/neut fit and tengu was 100mn buffer before the nerf)
I've participated in armour brawl fleets in lowsec with a Legion, in nullsec I flew unscannable(almost) rail tengus and 10mn ab rail tengus, 100mn heavy missile tengus and lastly I ran DED sites in my tengu.

I've killed almost every form of T3C you can come across, ratting fit, shield/armour brawl fleet ships, old links ships, scanning ships and the lists goes on.

I currently use T3C's (tengu mainly) for hunting PVE pilots in nullsec with a covert cyno

Between my two combat pilots I can fly all T3C's.

And I have over a 100 T3C fits saved in pyfa

I believe I can add positively to the discussion with experience and a lack of bias, so I'm excited to (hopefully) be a part of the discussion group.

I already use slack and have it on my phone and work PC, so I'm available the whole day
Svara Eir
Half Empty
#49 - 2017-05-18 19:34:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Svara Eir
Prefer not to pilot them on TQ but fly support for them on a near-daily basis at small gang and fleet scale with Hotline K162, and through the prior year at blobscale in 0.0. I have a strong understanding of T3C use cases in group PVP and solo PVP/PVE contexts, composing and optimising fittings for those use cases, and the relationships between T3C and player-defined metas as well as the overarching mechanics status quo evolving over time.

Rather than sitting here trying to stack up credentials/knowledge, which feels a bit weird, I am applying because I would be very useful in the "if-then" analysis process of mapping stats/bonuses to configurations, where we hopefully catch problematic insufficiencies, point out niche use cases (and assess whether or not they're wanted), and look at optimal or "good-enough" role fulfillment both in isolation and in the context of other ship classes.

Overall my strengths and concerns lie less in predetermining what T3C "should be" and more so in being able to contribute rigor towards a ship class that generates interesting, worthwhile, and healthy use cases by virtue of being well-calibrated.

[e:] Cross-TZ availability for Slack.
Jaiden Solo
Chaos arbiter
#50 - 2017-05-18 19:53:55 UTC
I don't want to be part of this focus group but I do think the vast majority of the members should be people who live in wormholes.

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2017-05-18 20:15:36 UTC
Whilst I don't have the experience flying T3C's to be part of the focus group I do produce them extensively. Please make sure the the economic and industrial effects are taken into account during these changes. Any changes in production will need to use at least the same amounts of sleeper goods if not more. Anything less will screw over one of the major income streams of WH dwellers.
KadirTheDestroy TheDestroy
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2017-05-18 20:46:53 UTC
Hey, my name is Kadir. The reason I want to be in the focus group is because I want to help balancing the game.
In T3C the pros overshadows the con (SP loss) and there are specific modules used in T3C's because the Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer , Proteus Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector and [b]Proteus Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor [/b are just not worth to fit on the ship(sorry for specific picking the Proteus modules) I know this ship very well that is why i'm using it as a example. Other T3C's has modules a like but also they aren't used as much. T3C's can be used in any situation but you need to fit it specifically for it. It can be your command ship on WH space with cruiser size mass/sig, It can be your bait gaining more than 250k+ EHP its essentially a super HAC it can do a lot but if you lose this ship you lose a lot (SP)... that is why people use this ship for specific purposes because if you lose a T3C you have to buy a skill injector or wait 4 days to use it at its full potential. which sucks A LOT
that is why you never see a T3C explore because lose the ship means losing hull value+skill injector if you goes over 1B if you don't have the patience to wait 4 days. it's small signature radius means its really hard to scan the ship like the slippery pete but that fit doesn't get used anymore. to round it off I would like to join this focus group to correct the flaws of the ship, i'm also for no SP loss when losing this ship I would like to see the T3C get balanced and see changes in subsystems so it doesn't get too nerfed that it wont be used anymore in pvp fleets but I would love to see more of a variety instead the mach and legion/proteus fleets.

If you took your time for reading this I appreciate and forgive my spelling/grammar pls no hate

P.S. T3C's are great ratting ships don't tell anyone about it ;)
Jezza McWaffle
#53 - 2017-05-18 20:52:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jezza McWaffle
I have been apart of the capital focus group so I hope this does not discount me from participating in any other potential focus groups Big smile

I am a regular user, theorycrafter and FC of T3 vessels in PvP within wormhole space and have been for many years now, while I have limited experience of null and lowsec I do understand the mechanics soundly and feel like I'm not simply an advocate of "don't nerf them for wormhole usage" but rather try to make them balanced for all areas of gameplay, or at least as much as possible without treading on the toes of existing ship lines (like HAC's and command ships).

In terms of theorycrafting I understand how hard it is to properly balance out major changed to tech 3 cruisers surrounding fitting room, subsystem changes and anything that involves the use of rigging in the short term. I feel that I can add my opinion and knowledge on how changes will impact the game longer term beyond simply "this fit here will become the new cookie cutter" as the meta of eve is hard to predict.

As I said I have been apart of the capital focus group and hopefully I have been of help within that group and would like to bring my knowledge and communication to assist this one, I understand the core purpose of the focus group is not so much to suggest changes to CCP but rather give well documented and reasoned discussion on their own suggested changes (see Naglfar powergrid as an example).

Thank you Cool

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HunterK en Daire
0.0 Massive Dynamic
Pandemic Horde
#54 - 2017-05-18 20:54:22 UTC
I am relatively new (1 year/4 chars) to eve but manufacture, PI, PVE, PVP and mine so would like to put in my shot that we should expand T3 to be able to support these roles better in lowsec/nullsec.

The T3 provides an excellent platform to add/remove mods for differing roles. I would like to expand this experience and scope to do as would be done in New Eden (faction ships): diversify.

1. Consider the T3 as a PI Specific fit carrier in lowsec/null.

2. Consider the T3 as a specific mining fit in lowsec/null.

3. The T3 has the ability to compete somewhat with the luxury yacht by increasing agility/ travel fit.

I do not see any of these roles being the deal breakers(ie overused) but the ability to use a modular ship in difficult conditions to access insecure locations will open new avenues.

With the tendency to blob with carriers now becoming common in lowsec it needs something to increase saftey options for PI/Manufacturing/Mining.

I believe this will allow the serious move of some more hisec people back into lowsec and allow us to add to the PVP/PVE that seems to dominate.

We could use O.R.E. to develop a separate ship or add new options/abilities to the existing modules.

This is not intended to be a solution but open the discussion/thought to expanding options.

It is for this reason i would like to join this debate.
#55 - 2017-05-18 21:04:49 UTC
I want to be a part of this focus group. I have extensive experience with the proteus. I have run many level 4 missions with a officer fit proteus that garmon gave me.
Anthony Giola
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2017-05-18 21:15:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Anthony Giola
Tossing my name into the pool!

Bit about myself, I've piloted, FCed and theorycrafted fits for T3Cs across a half dozen characters for several years now, largely focusing on small gang and solo fitting needs for quite a while. Additionally, I currently manage the fitting for our corporations T3C doctrines. With us being a wormhole corporation the T3C is of course the bread and butter of our armor doctrine ships and require the most airtight fitting possible to eke out every advantage as well as "creative" fittings to fulfill a specific need or role that another ship may not be able to.

I have a long history of fitting, going back as far as I can remember in the game, and would love the opportunity to help our community take advantage of a rebalance of one of New Eden's most iconic ship class and help make sure that they are moved into a positive spot in every aspect of the game. There are many things that should be, and can be done with T3C's, but some of my most firm beliefs are in consolidating not only their ability to change fits on the drop of a dime, but to change roles as well. Whether those roles be an effective logi platform, cov ops scanner, fleet support, or damage platform; T3Cs are some of the most versatile ships in the game and making sure that it stays that way while simultaneously rebalancing parts of them that are too weak or too strong is hugely important to me. I want the T3C line of ships to remain versatile, but not necessarily overpower other ships in every single way. With the upcoming subsystem changes, this is prime time to help ensure that as a reality. As someone who currently serves, the idea of communication between peers to accomplish a goal is nothing new and I strongly believe I'd be a good fit to complement the goals of such a focus group because of all of the reasons above. Hopefully other peers in our community agree as well.
Thanks for your time! o7
probag Bear
Xiong Offices
#57 - 2017-05-18 21:28:21 UTC
I was told to apply for this because you "need a good indy/econ voice". I'm not entirely sure I agree with that assessment.

I'm probag Bear. I make T3C and T3C accessories.

My business model is flooding the Jita market with as much as it can handle, pricing my T3 goods at or under build cost. As such I end up producing a lot. Though the first part of May saw me fail to maintain my wall of sell orders (due to finals week), I've almost recovered it. Right now I'm flooding all T3 subs, T3 destroyers, Lokis, and Tengus. By the end of the summer I'll have taken the entire T3 market; just waiting on skill queues.

But again, I don't really think you need someone who's main experience is indy/econ.
Critical Strike
Nuclear Confusion
#58 - 2017-05-18 21:29:29 UTC
Throw me in the pool as well, I am an EVE veteran (experience since beta), triple digit skp

In Game:
Extensive experience flying T3s and other ships that fly alongside T3s in teams like Command ships, recons, hacs etc.
I believe you also need input from players who have experience flying many other ships and not just T3s because impact of T3s were seen game wide and across many ships. Changes to T3s would affect many other aspects of gameplay.

In Real life:
Game design experience from technical design perspective as well.
Seraph Essael
The Initiative.
#59 - 2017-05-18 21:57:49 UTC
I would like to be considered for a part in this focus group.

I am a long time wormholer who flies a lot of T3s.

I have my go to ship which is a combat scanning, buffer Tengu. But I also fly other types such as the ECMgu and the Regen blaster Tengu.

During heavy armour fleets I will be found in a HAM Legion or a Neut Legion, sometimes 10mn sometimes 100mn fits.
I have flown the Proteus, both cloaky, brick tank and also DPS buffer.

Overall, I fly, on a regular basis, multiple versions of each ship. Using a wide variety of subsystems.

T3Cs are a staple diet in many wormhole fleets (moreso than almost anywhere else) and I want to make sure that the wormhole community are represented, in a balance that will effect them somewhat adversely if we are not taken into account.

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."

Tiwaz Inkura
Pandemic Legion
#60 - 2017-05-18 21:58:58 UTC
I'd like to be part of the focus group as well.

I've been flying a lot of T3C's in both Null and Lowsec, in fact they are my most used ships. I've flown them in most of the big fleet setting one experiences in either Low/ Null in most, if not all the usual configurations.

I'm also familiar with the PVE aspect of T3Cs, though my focus would absolutely be on the PvP focus of T3s, especially in regards to force projection via WHs and role as a mainline doctrine for serious fights.