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While I totally disagree with you I am curious as to why you think it needs to b more restrictive and how you would go about it.

Nice little history lesson but didn't answer either my questions.

"Go back to what it was when it was when it was first implemented?" Please explain, as far as I am aware it hasn't changed. Unless you are referring to the recent range increase, which has nothing to do with fatigue aside from increasing the time you wait before you can jump again - The fatigue mechanics have not changed..


I'm not aware of any mainstream groups (except maybe WH dwellers doing escalations) who use capitals exclusively, they all have subcap support in one form or another.

Gating capitals, is done a lot but when you're going 10 or 12 jumps to get to a fight - Gating is just not viable, unless one or two gates puts you in range. Which by BTW is done often.

I think maybe you should get out of that WH for a few months and try using capitals in today's meta.

NB; The group my main is in recently deployed across two regions (7 jumps - with 2 gate jumps on top) - Thanks to fatigue (and not being able to play for 10 or 12 hours a day) it took me 5 days to get there with a dread and another 3 to move my carrier.

No you didn't, all you said was "fatigue should be worse" that is not answering anything and simply shows you have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

My wording must have confused you. But to even think a capital ship could use its jump drive 12 times to get to a fight (unless it is 2 weeks in the future) also shows you have no idea what you are talking about.
I did say GATE JUMPS but you seem to have deliberately misunderstood the context.

Moving a capital ship any more than 1 jump using cynos requires you giving up playing eve for the day (unless you are a no lifer). With over 1 hour between jumps, you're not going anywhere fast. Unless of course you don't want to use the ship for a week and stack fatigue, even then it will take you hours to get to your destination as each time you jump your reactivation timer is longer.

I've lived in nul on and off since 2007. (currently a resident of Curse)
Any group worth belonging to would never consider using caps in a fleet fight without subcap support in today's meta. Not much point dropping caps if your enemy can just warp off is there? That's what your support fleet (subcaps) are for, keep the enemy on grid.

You either genuinely have no idea what you are talking about or are a really bad troll.


Consider this;
Devs decide moving around in WH's is too easy and you will get 1hr 45 mins "wait time" every time you move through one - Now put that scenario on to capitals ships using jump drives or subcaps using a jump bridge or being bridged by a titan.
What you have, is today's fatigue mechanics.

As I said, leave your safe little wh and try using the ships and mechanics you are talking about OR please just stop posting your meaningless drivel.

No it wasn't, you started out saying fatigue needed to be increased (go read your own posts).
Really, what does a ratting carrier have to do with jump fatigue and if a person is happy to haul around 10k m3 of cargo in a carrier more power to them.

The more you post the less you show you know about the subject. Tying to use ratting carriers or the odd person who uses a ship that is totally not suited to shifting cargo as your reason for jump fatigue needing a buff, I just fell off my chair laughing..

WH's are not as random as you might think, the WH highway is awesome for moving subcaps vast distances quickly - Do you even play the game?

"That was literally my point" - Your point is - You don't have one.

Please stop now, you already look foolish don't extend it to stupid.

...suggesting that it should be harder for caps to move around is the same thing as saying jump fatigue needs to be increased.

I apologize I disagree with you. Don't start a thread on a public forum if all you want is people to back up your opinion. Caps should be rare, not something to whelp when ratting. The universe should be massive. Not something you can get across in a day with cynos. Obviously you disagree. There's nothing wrong with that. Personally I think jump fatigue is one of the best decisions made for this game in a while, and wish it was harsher. We can agree to disagree on that, but that is my opinion.

I do. My oldest character started in 2012, and I've lived outside of HS since a month in. I'm not unfamiliar with caps. Again. I think it's a good thing that it's hard to move caps around.

How many times do I have to say that? And nobody whelps ratting carriers? Have you even been in null?

Death to all caps. The game is infinitely better when they are rare, and take thought before they are used.

Why would you want to make them rare?
They are an integral part of Eve game play, sure titans and supers may be a little common considering what they can do but again they aren't that hard to kill these days even with subcaps.

Oh btw, I don't think your explanation is what Sonya had in mind at all. As I said use the ships you are commenting on before making assumptions.


Sonya Corvinus
Did you ever consider, one of the reasons supers and capitals in general are so common is because of jump fatigue?
Prior to jump fatigue capitals were much harder to use than they are now due to mega groups racing all over new eden and killing them, you didn't undock caps without much thought and consideration because BL PL or NC. could be on your doorstep within a short time.
Now when someone uses caps there is a lot of planning and strategy goes into it due to how long it takes to get them anywhere, reduced EHP, etc. Hence there are more of them because they just don't get used enough to kill off stockpiles.

As you seem to think players throw away 2 bil plus isk carriers by whelping them, PLEASE show me one killmail that would go close to proving this. Personally I would never undock a ratting carrier with the intention of letting it die (whelping it) nobody I know would.
I (and many others) have undocked a brick tanked carrier with a cyno (which is absolutely no good for ratting if your plan is to make isk) and warped it to an anom to bait out a far more expensive super or titan and killed it (this does happen a lot more in lowsec than nul). Risking a 2 bil carrier to kill a 20 bil + super or 100 bil + titan, could be called a whelp I suppose. I've never lost one doing it though, thanks to logi.
Whelping a fleet (even capitals) into a far superior fleet can be fun but isn't something you do in ratting carriers...

And I totally agree - Death to all caps - Now all you need to do is get Devs to reduce stacking fatigue so that can begin to happen.. I own quite a few of caps and a titan, I just wish I could use them more than once or twice a month - Losing them in battle would then would be an honor (and a lot of fun)...

Whelping 2 bil is nothing (a day or 2 ratting), I just don't understand how or why you think people whelp rattng carriers. Do you know what a whelp is?

I don't "assume" anything - You're doing that all on your own.
I've tried to be objective and explain my point of view - You on the other hand have not tried to explain yours. Your argument is - Fatigue needs to be harsher, which is not so much an argument or explanation as it is a baseless statement (your right I'm wrong).

Ok, one more time.
As an example;
Group A - 3,000 man sov holding alliance, has a 400 strong capital fleet at their disposal to fight off attackers and defend their sov.

Group B - 3,000 man alliance that wants to go fight Group A (lives 2 regions away), they have roughly the same sized capital fleet as those they want to fight but due to distance and fatigue (the harsher one you think is needed) it is not viable to move their caps due to the time required.

Group B decide after working out the logistics of deploying, it just isn't worth it because of the time required.

Group A keeps their sov, no-one gets fights, good or bad, simply because no-one can reasonably get to them to fight.
Remember - Even just deploying subcaps to fight with requires capital ships, unless each person only takes one ship which wouldn't be much of a deployment would it.,.

By making fatigue harsher you end up making a stagnant nulsec. Those sov holders with decent capital fleets would not have their sov threatened.
Why is it do you think there has not been a big capital fight in so long?

You say you want death to all caps but insist on increasing the one thing that prevents that from happening.

10 years in August - I've been around a while. (you're assuming your're right, again)

Good luck ever getting headline grabbing fights like NOL or HED again.

You're wrong, fattygay is one of the best things they put in the game, it put the shackles on the alliance im in quite nicely and the game is better off for it.