EVE General Discussion

CCP cant ever do things right because


"programming is too hard" now out of all excuses once you hear a game company say this.. why in the hell should someone invest in it.


you are ruined ccp, totally ruined,

they said that when it came to walking in stations, dust, and a host of other things. fail, fail, and more fail is ccp's legacy can only keep the hype going so long before reality sets in and folks who try it , catch onto the cash grab attempt.

OK, it is a slow day and I feel the need to post some observations about CCP and Eve. I do this as a long time player, a three time CSM member and the head of a dormant alliance with a catchy name! I also am a life time software engineer with some graphics cred. So here goes.

1. Eve began as a horrible piece of code to implement a pretty lame game.

2. Eve grew to be a much larger piece of horrible code but a game based on some interesting ideas. (don't get me wrong, there is some solid engineering in Eve these days!)

3. CCP has made efforts to make it less horrible code and as a result there are some things basically turned off or never likely to work correctly.

4. Eve has some continuity gaps in terms of game design and focus. There have been at least three waves of folks that I'm aware of that were the core of CCP when it came to driving Eve.

5. CCP has shown some ADD in terms of other projects. From a dead vampire game, Dust, partly finished walking in stations that leaves us with the captain's cell (highest ever resource utilization ever achieved by a single player - multiplayer game!) or Greed is Good. CCP can be scattered and it has cost it's core product. Eve. Those wasted resources could have been used to make Eve much nicer.

6. At its core Eve is the ultimate sandbox and a true player driven economy. It is this fact that keeps Eve alive but also the thing that will limit the actual size of Eve.

7. CCP clearly continues to struggle to find that thing that will take Eve to that next level whatever that means. So we FTP, microtransactions, Plexes and other experiments to ultimately boost CCP's bottom line.

8. CCP has a horrible history of completing whatever its new shiny is. Walking in stations, dead, moon mining revamp. dead, exploration and tourism as an Eve feature, dead, smuggling as an Eve feature, dead, major story line development based on player actions, dead, truly dynamic player driven actions that change Eve fundamentals like system security, dead, faction warfare, on life support, in game browser, dead twice, true ship personaliztion, dead... the list goes on. Take some time and really take a tour of the "verse" and you find tons of content left to rot. A lot of work went into things that never got developed or used.

9. The CSM was formed during a different time in CCP by folks that sadly are no longer involved. So the function of the CSM has changed. They really have been changed from watch-guards to bad idea faeries. But the presence of the CSM is one of the things that make Eve unique.

The players could change the nature of the CSM if they cared enough, but in the end they don't. In fact the number of Eve pod pilots that care enough to get involved in trying to bring about real changes to Eve fundamentals is small. That fact is sometimes hard to remember when posting a masterpiece of logical argument here in the forums. The few folks that are willing to commit the effort are pretty easy to spot in the game and generally well known.

10. The real way to create something different in Eve lies in some basics of human nature. Influence enough folks to support your ideas and you have a chance to make a change. We have some real examples of folks that have that skill set and SOV maps reflect the results. I've found my personal abilities and commitments probably peak at around 300 pod pilots or so paying some attention to what I'd come up with over longer periods of time and just enough for short periods of time to be elected to the CSM. I am in awe of folks that pull together the big alliances.

11. Finally I don't think Eve could have come from anywhere other than Iceland. CCP REALLY likes the basically enabling psychopaths shoot a stranger in the face element of Eve. It is the inner Viking I think. Unless CCP sees an opportunity to dramatically increase revenues by eliminating that cold lack of morals framework that shapes the verse that will stay baked in. Also remember if they were to become convinced to change the game so fundamentally they would need to do it in a way to not shoot themselves in the foot by alienating the cash flow they get now from folks that like that lack of a moral framework. In many ways it is that Eve lets out the worst of an individual that is core to many folks fondness of the game.


So what does that mean? Well if you want Eve to become another game than Eve is today (for example more single player high se PVE) I don't think you'll ever get it because there are too many people that seem to like it as is. And so far no one has come up with a plan to remove the dark heart and keep the patient alive.

Another observation. Eve is played at all manner of levels. I am playing one now! I am bloviating on the Eve forums. This is an element of Eve that has many fans! Eve gives a person a chance to face an infinite set of challenges based on how much they want to put into it on more levels and in more ways than any game short of real life has offered.

Does Eve have warts. Well, yes it does. Would my perfect Eve be different? Well, yes I'd have walking in stations, the pleasure hubs back, comets, smuggling, aliens, more high sec PVE, a framework to create a true player designed mission and a craft system that let me invent new classes of ships much like T3 but more. Would it be better? I have no idea. Is there enough.challenges in Eve to keep me coming back? Going on 12 years would say it looks like it does.

I'm happy a group of Icelandic Vikings decided to make a space game. Sometimes they do things that make me grumpy but I think that's just how they roll. So for now I choose to keep trying to find that way to do better than some other folks in a way that lets me sleep at night!

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What problem would that be? That the item you bought for real money would be worth more in game? That is bad how?

Edit: To be clear: the people losing out on this price increase are not people buying PLEX for RL money. Nor is it people currently holding PLEX. The people who lose out are those who are going to be buying PLEX for ISK after after the price started going up in game.

Seriosuly, learn to think thing through in a rational and based on solid economic theory not some bullshit nonsense.

Hahahahahahaha....

Sure. That will work.

"We" did it to ourself because the game make it more efficient to do so. Losing sting in this game or at least it's supposed to so player, like normal human being, look for way to minimize their losses. Turns out, in a MMO where you can always bring more allies to a single battle, bringing those allies to that fight has become somewhat standard. The loop keep feeding itself until people lose interest.

I see the PLEX price rise more due to carrier ratting and the Rorq being bashed with the latest nerf. If there was any effect of CSM leaking info, to my mind should have driven PLEX prices down, not up, as insider info should have suggested to dump your PLEX instead of buy. You are introducing more PLEX into the game, supply and demand, price should go down.As far as monkeying with people who buy PLEX for real money the get more bang for the buck with PLEX/ISK ratio being higher so why would the complain. My 2 ISK at any rate.

You can buy 2 pairs of boots or a shirt for it (at 100 AUR each).
Extractors are around 4,500 AUR for I don't remember how many.

You can also verify if you have AUR on accounts which were activated in the past
but which now are inactive and with Alpha clones only.
(I don't think that was possible before.)

it will eventually get back to you in the form of miniplex as per the more recent devblog.