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Can we get rid of CSM after the recent PLEX insider trading fiasco?

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Salvos Rhoska
#181 - 2017-03-19 12:25:03 UTC
Vigirr wrote:
Most nullseccers are carebears
+
CSM has many null sec members
=
CSM caters to nullbears

Nailed it.
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#182 - 2017-03-19 12:31:46 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Nate Hill wrote:
It does matter. Feedback without highsec PVE is leading EVE to death.
No interesting highsec PVE contents can attract new players now.

Then Highsec dwellers should get off their bloody asses and vote! How hard can it be to outnumber a couple thousand nullsec voters?


Heard of block voting? Null alliances can strongly encourage their members to vote for the preferred candidate. Just like real life politics it has become a game of backscratching between govt and the big powers.

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#183 - 2017-03-19 13:04:28 UTC
Why would players vote if they are not interested in CSM or dont think CSM is really able to influence CCP minds about anything more than few favors for null blocks? And add to that that they dont know the candidates and dont want to learn anything about them. They are here mainly to shoot missiles at someone or something, to explore the depths of space, not make politics. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Salvos Rhoska
#184 - 2017-03-19 13:47:58 UTC
After election, there is no transparency.

We have no idea what CSM are saying, to whom.

There is no accountability to the EVE player base.
dirge Azari
Doomheim
#185 - 2017-03-19 14:03:58 UTC
The only way to make CSM work is to record it and upload it to youtube. Give it a 6 month delay to cover sensitive stuff.

But right now the CSM is corrupt as hell. (Ive had this confirmed by a former CSM member)

Other than a few exceptions (cloaked ships decloaking each other) the CSM has done jack **** for the player base.

Even at the best of times its nothing more than an excuse to ignore the wider comunity because "the CSM like it"

At worst its a tool for power blocs to gain insider knowlage
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#186 - 2017-03-19 14:47:38 UTC
dirge Azari wrote:
The only way to make CSM work is to record it and upload it to youtube. Give it a 6 month delay to cover sensitive stuff.

But right now the CSM is corrupt as hell. (Ive had this confirmed by a former CSM member)

Other than a few exceptions (cloaked ships decloaking each other) the CSM has done jack **** for the player base.

Even at the best of times its nothing more than an excuse to ignore the wider comunity because "the CSM like it"

At worst its a tool for power blocs to gain insider knowlage


old school son. There always benefit a huge corporation in this game. Always bin always is. Like the real world. $$$

All those "new" stuff broke the game even more. At the end. We know what`s going to happen. Yeah we can not point any fingers.

The question is how corrupt are those CSM members and some one is leaking info or selling. Not sure what.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#187 - 2017-03-19 14:48:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
Mr Mieyli wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
Nate Hill wrote:
It does matter. Feedback without highsec PVE is leading EVE to death.
No interesting highsec PVE contents can attract new players now.

Then Highsec dwellers should get off their bloody asses and vote! How hard can it be to outnumber a couple thousand nullsec voters?


Heard of block voting? Null alliances can strongly encourage their members to vote for the preferred candidate. Just like real life politics it has become a game of backscratching between govt and the big powers.

I suggest having a look at how exactly the votes are counted for Eve. Due to the system they use (google "Wright System" for details) it is quite difficult to have a couple thousand people cast ballots, neither of which ends up contributing to a candidate getting elected.

And even if Highsec somehow managed to coordinate in such a way that their ballots really end up not counting, then at least they would make the blocvote worth less, just by casting a ballot at all.

The mere fact that nullsec blocvotes are still so effective shows, that they make up a significant number of all voters, or in other terms, that the others aren't casting enough votes.

Now, I can imagine why that is - reading through 60-something candidates posts to find out who to fill your ballot with takes effort. More effort than not voting or just voting for a single candidate (which in most cases amounts to the same as not voting at all), and complaining afterwards that you aren't being represented. But if players can't even muster the effort of telling CCP who they want to see as their representative, then it's not their place to complain afterwards in my book.
Salvos Rhoska
#188 - 2017-03-19 15:21:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Neuntausend wrote:
[Snip.

There is no way of knowing who is what.

For all we know, 99% of the HS candidates, could be infact NS alts.

Making matters worse, there is no transparency on their actions after election, nor oversight, or culpability.

Even an initial HS CSM, can be subverted to NS interests, post election, and again, we have no means of knowing if it happened.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#189 - 2017-03-19 15:30:12 UTC
HELLO BOIZ!

i'm a CSM ALT legit!
WTS reserved infos Cool PM ME! today huge discount ~50% depending if you are a hot grill or not Cool

jk
pls no ban Bear

Salvos Rhoska
#190 - 2017-03-19 15:38:24 UTC
Soel Reit wrote:
HELLO BOIZ!

i'm a CSM ALT legit!
WTS reserved infos Cool PM ME! today huge discount ~50% depending if you are a hot grill or not Cool

jk
pls no ban Bear


Atleast you are honest.
Loutro Fift
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#191 - 2017-03-19 15:57:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Loutro Fift
Seriously?


Conspiracy theories about a game?


Volatility,,,it's a thing. Look it up.


Play the bloody game and shuddap.
Salvos Rhoska
#192 - 2017-03-19 16:04:11 UTC
Loutro Fift wrote:
Seriously?.


Tell me honestly.
How many people in your life, including politicians, do you trust?

And how many in EVE?

Remember one of the Golden Rules?
"TRUST NO ONE"

That includes CSM.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#193 - 2017-03-19 16:44:42 UTC
Loutro Fift wrote:
Seriously?


Conspiracy theories about a game?


Volatility,,,it's a thing. Look it up.


Play the bloody game and shuddap.


cuz plotting against each other on the forum is not playing the game lmao
the meta game of eve is actually NEVER UNDOCK and keep blabbering on the FORUM
LEGIT Cool
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#194 - 2017-03-19 16:51:04 UTC
Akane Togenada wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
Nate Hill wrote:
It does matter. Feedback without highsec PVE is leading EVE to death.
No interesting highsec PVE contents can attract new players now.

Then Highsec dwellers should get off their bloody asses and vote! How hard can it be to outnumber a couple thousand nullsec voters?


Although this is correct it doesn´t help them to vote unless they also get their people into the CSM. Otherwise it's just as in some real-life elections where you get to choose between a giant douche or a turd sandwich.


If you see no candidate worthy of your vote, present yourself. At least you should be worthy of your own vote right?
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#195 - 2017-03-19 17:02:21 UTC
or you can join goons... and be told to who vote for Roll
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#196 - 2017-03-19 17:11:08 UTC
Soel Reit wrote:
or you can join goons... and be told to who vote for Roll


It's less effort than reading through 60 candidates at least. Maybe politics in a game gives an advantage to the people who take the game the most seriously, at the cost of those more relaxed players. You could argue this is how it should be, but it creates a closed culture, an echo chamber.

Eve is an echo chamber, a safe space.

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Atomic Virulent
Embargo.
#197 - 2017-03-21 03:42:43 UTC
CCP involved in giving their buds a heads up?

Naaahhh..


~ ~ ~ N E V E R ~ ~ ~
Pestilen Ratte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#198 - 2017-03-21 06:28:25 UTC
CCP are such an incredibly juvenile company. It is hard to believe that they have survived in the real world of commerce and law for as long as they have.

At the core of the failure of CCP rto shake it's reputation for bad character ios the inability of senior staff at CCP to comprehend the difference between in game role playing and the real world. Even in this thread, you will find numerous appeals to the idea that "Eve is all about scamming!", offered in defence of CCP leadership conduct.

With respect, that is about as sensible as excusing a movie director for mass murder because he is making a war film.

But the point is well made. It is a very real thing. CCP staff really cannot comprehend the difference between Eev and the real world. One pities them. It can't be easy. The real world is a big place. Eve is tiny.

It must be even worse for all the normal, adult workers at CCP. They know what goes on. They have to work with the petulant children. They know that they are second class citizens next to the protected children who destroy the firm's commercial potential for their teenager lols.

The owners will have real problems trying to sell this company, as it stands. The folks doing the due diligence (hi there!!) are going to see that the company is polluted by a lack of integrity and a real lack of maturity in the leadership. That always come from the same place: friends of the original owners. The owner can't get rid of them (might even owe them money), and doesn't want to. When the owner realizes that these "friends" are killing the enterprise, they try to sell.

Oh look! The owners of CCP are trying to sell.

Heads up: nobody wants your weird and corrupt little company as it stands. And if you cleaned house and put decent adults in charge, guess what?

You wouldn't be so keen to sell it.

Would ya?

Because it wouldn't be broken.

The only thing that fixes Eve is a structured buyout, with all the current shareholders displaced. That probably can't happen, because the problem people have cemented their rights, because, haha, they saw what was coming. A long time ago.

Still, it is fascinating stuff. Popcorn at the ready, I look forward to seeing how it all transpires.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#199 - 2017-03-21 06:50:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Soel Reit
Pestilen Ratte wrote:
CCP are such an incredibly juvenile company. It is hard to believe that they have survived in the real world of commerce and law for as long as they have.

At the core of the failure of CCP rto shake it's reputation for bad character ios the inability of senior staff at CCP to comprehend the difference between in game role playing and the real world. Even in this thread, you will find numerous appeals to the idea that "Eve is all about scamming!", offered in defence of CCP leadership conduct.

With respect, that is about as sensible as excusing a movie director for mass murder because he is making a war film.

But the point is well made. It is a very real thing. CCP staff really cannot comprehend the difference between Eev and the real world. One pities them. It can't be easy. The real world is a big place. Eve is tiny.

It must be even worse for all the normal, adult workers at CCP. They know what goes on. They have to work with the petulant children. They know that they are second class citizens next to the protected children who destroy the firm's commercial potential for their teenager lols.

The owners will have real problems trying to sell this company, as it stands. The folks doing the due diligence (hi there!!) are going to see that the company is polluted by a lack of integrity and a real lack of maturity in the leadership. That always come from the same place: friends of the original owners. The owner can't get rid of them (might even owe them money), and doesn't want to. When the owner realizes that these "friends" are killing the enterprise, they try to sell.

Oh look! The owners of CCP are trying to sell.

Heads up: nobody wants your weird and corrupt little company as it stands. And if you cleaned house and put decent adults in charge, guess what?

You wouldn't be so keen to sell it.

Would ya?

Because it wouldn't be broken.

The only thing that fixes Eve is a structured buyout, with all the current shareholders displaced. That probably can't happen, because the problem people have cemented their rights, because, haha, they saw what was coming. A long time ago.

Still, it is fascinating stuff. Popcorn at the ready, I look forward to seeing how it all transpires.

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With respect, that is about as sensible as excusing a movie director for mass murder because he is making a war film.

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Veine Miromme
Gallente Federation
#200 - 2017-03-21 12:09:10 UTC
I was going to vote for a pilot to be a new CSM member, however,
he took on himself or others of his potential officer / secretary to
remove some intellectual property I was working on for security.

So, it is not technically feasible.

Ship Type : Out of pod (for now)