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Isn't this a good thing though? I'm not a low-sec industrialist myself but i get a feeling from the forums that low-sec (in general) could do with a boost.

Okay, fourth question. Hope I'm not detracting from all of the Chicken Little stuff going on ITT.

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Will the detonation require a player to initiate it, or can it be scheduled?

This all fine and dandy but as found with cits it cost in my opinion more keep running then tower ever did and for a lot less isk.

Be nice if CCP make a chart showing every cit platform and mods used for them and costs per mod fuel wise as a guide also

Double-edged sword. Yes, good for activity indexes. Are the effects on experience of gameplay reflected by that? Depends a lot on whether you are a larger organisation, or a small groups. Complexity goes up, dependancies are introduced, the ballgame changes. But specialisation has its limits, and so do dependancies, as such people always follow established herd behaviour.

We'll have to see how CCP flesh it out, but it feels very subject to n+1 min/max mentality. It's not like any argument in relation to changes based on similar concepts as here have had any tangible effect as intended for groupthink or group behaviour.

I'm not convinced on the socio-economics basically, based on what we currently know and on established track records.

This is a bit of a wild idea, but it's a thought that would throw a bone to lowsec.

What if the quality of these moon belts were inversely proportional to the security status of the system compared to what we have now (where the lower the truesec, the better the asteroid belts, rats, moons, etc)? Higher truesec would have better moon belts, meaning that lowsec would be the go-to for harvesting moon minerals.

Nullsec moons would still provide these moon belts, but the size and quality of the rocks would be reduced as you get deeper into the truesec (meaning the best nullsec areas would generally be the ones nearest the borders, which are also the ones most likely to be easily targeted).

This would also make nullsec sov with poor truesec a better place to call home, in addition to throwing a bone to lowsec.

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A lore-related bit behind this is that a part of the reason that highsec is highsec is because that's where the best resources / minerals are at (with the empires holding exclusive rights on the "good" ore there, and our scanners being prevented from even seeing it in the belts), and it's where the empires are most willing to defend (beyond simply having a manpower-related reason). From 0.5 through 1.0, the resources are good enough that the empires are willing to put forth a significant amount of effort to defend them. 0.1 through 0.4 are still empire, but aren't good enough for the empires to put effort into their own mining operations, thus opening it to Capsuleers.

Outside of wormholes (which can't do moon mining), nullsec already has the best asteroid belts, anoms, rats, gas, etc. Inverting the usual truesec impact on moon minerals might be something interesting.

RIP alliance srp for small-medium size alliances (not like free ships did anything in the way of content anyways, right guys?)

Also RIP t2 in general... incoming rebirth of t3 meta

I'm curious how alliances even with only 4-5 systems that have 4-6 moons each are expected to mine all that , good luck getting a bunch of pvpers to get in a mining fleet once or twice a week.

Maybe reduce overall amount of moons but making per moon income much higher? Or give it ability to be passive but higher yield when active?

Please for the love of god dont keep the current distribution of moon goo - there are areas of space that are so lacking and the weird distribution of certain elements is daft.

I'd suggest starting from scratch:

Give each moon a bit of everything but so that everyone has the ability to get the high end goo that currently is so heavily controlled by the big alliances.

Not saying massive screw up the ballancing but say if a belt gives you 1,000,000 units of goo once refined you get:

Atmospheric Gases x 200,000
Evaporate Deposits x 200,000
Hydrocarbons x 200,000
Silicates x 200,000
Cobalt x 25,000
Scandium x 25,000
Titanium x 25,000
Tungsten x 25,000
Cadmium x 15,000
Vandium x 15,000
Platinum x 15,000
Chromium x 15,000
Caesium x 7,500
Technetium x 7,500
Hafnium x 7,500
Mercury x 7,500
Promethium x 2,500
Dysprosium x 2,500
Neodymium x 2,500
Thulium x 2,500

you can then play with individual moons so a current Dyspro moon could give 25,000 per belt.

its a rough idea I grant you but please dont leave goo like it is now

That's my point. The stability of moongoo up until now is what has helped make the t2 economy viable. If they do this without any support to passive moon mining or mining counterplay, the majority of the lowsec moon mining is going to get abandoned.

tl/dr:
1) move moon belts further from the mining structure to increase risk to the miners of this valuable material
2) NO LOGGING by the structure. If you're getting robbed,you figure it out. Don't let the game do it for you.
3) Allow more than 1 structure per moon, spread out the drilling/belt material across all anchored drilling structures so that the total net is still the same. negotiate or blow the competition up if you want a monopoly on the moon. There shouldn't be an advantage for just being the first group to anchor a structure on the prime moons during the first few hours after the expansion.



personal opinion for the good of the game, I think there needs to be more risk, and less corporation/alliance tracking of who mines and what gets mined.

Explain #1)
put the new moon ore field further from the structure, so the structure guns can't cover it. still close enough on grid to see, but the miners should be at some risk without a structure there to protect them. this is the most valuable material to mine, make it risky to do so.


Explain #2)
don't introduce those logging tools, that sounds like someone's idea who wants to retain some control over what comes out of the moon. This is still too close to the existing protected moon mechanic. If a non-corp or enemy ninja miner want to run an op to steal your crap, get your crap organized and have eyes around your system to prevent it. Don't let the structure log what is going on around it and give you that intel for free with no effort. If you're getting robbed, figure it out yourself!

You're blasting huge chunks of moon material into space, what does the structure owner get control over what happens to it? Get further away from "Owning" a moon.


Explain #3)
ALSO,
let there be more than one moon drilling rig/structure per moon. With each additional structure the size of the mined belts becomes smaller,such that the net total material is the same but spread across all the mining structures. If you want a monopoly on your moon, blow the other guys up, or negotiate some terms. One structure per moon is too restrictive and too much like the current broken mechanic.

The current alliances who rely on passive moongoo mining will have difficulty and need to adapt, yes. This is a good thing; all "iceberg" organizations should die, preferably while on fire and screaming.

We at Goonswarm Federation, noted dead lowsec alliance, have adapted. Why haven't you and yours?