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Tested this new patch with my supercarrier.

Nothing really changed. And it was expected more or less having 1 Haven being done in 5:30. Most of the time NPC targeted my fighters but it is too fast for them to do any significant damage anyway.

So this change mainly targeted carrier pilots. And i'm still not convinced that they needed it

Doesn't seem to have even affected Carriers much beyond multi-box/AFK capability. So far I've seen no change from people ratting Blood Raiders, Sansha, Guristas, Rogue Drones, and Serpentis. Haven't been able to find a video or person who does Angels though and there's been some concern raised over their TPs and Webs. If anyone has a video with the changes I'm curious if the concerns with Angels have been as overblown as those with other factions.

I'm mono account, and i can't often use my 2 hand for some IRL problem. I'm affect. And before patch you can't afk carrier so stop think people want AFK. But befor epatch yes you can give order to you're fighter to attack nex target before they die, or you can have 1 000 ms ping without loose 2 fighter.

When we read you we understand : you don't hvae play carrier before update and not after.

Best solution imo for capital ratting would be to simply add new anomaly type (or tweak sanctums) so they have less small ships and have more capital ships. It does not even need to be worth much more income per tick than havens now - just require less clicking overall because the way it is now is really too much. Many people are playing eve because it does not require so many clicking and running around like other games.
Not to mention that would be fun to have more really big ship fights - I came to this game for this.

Yes but if we want play game with you must do a lot of apm we don"t play to eve.
We we have sign for play we have sign for an other accessibility of game. So if ccp want to change it they can ... they mist paid (and not only give back money of time who yu have on account).

multiboxing carrier wasnt possible before the patch

Now its exacly one click more to kill each rat AND still at a greater risk of losing fighters.

Where the guy who designed this got the idea that forcing players to click every 3-5 seconds is "engaging gameplay" is beyond me. Maybe he played much Diablo lately an liked it.

You expect people to run harder sites when the current ones exist?

Sure! If the Fun / Risk / Reward balance is good. Most certainly.

The current Carrier ratting isn't particularly more of a click fest than the old one, it adds about one click per ship kill more, which is telling your Fighters to orbit the next target before the last one died. That's something like a ~25% change, give or take. The main things that you need to do now are be paying attention and do a little advanced planning with your Fighters, having the next thing locked up and killing the smaller ships first.



Doesn't have to be Carrier/Super ratting, CCP have already said they want the end-game of Null PvE to be more group focused. Content that requires a group to be run is inherently harder to because you need to organize the group, and you need people you can rely on.

Case and point is Incursions. They make almost as much as a mediocre Carrier Ratting pilot per hour but you need to rely on 39 other pilots knowing what they're doing, especially the Logi, or you can quite easily lose your ship, and that's without factoring in player interference. Create something like that in Null but make it permanent local content instead of a roving spawn system and you could quite reasonably dial up the risk, rewards, and general difficulty of the PvE for pilots in Null without throwing the whole game's economy out of whack.

Besides it doesn't need to be a huge difference in payouts. Players will always gravitate towards the highest possible payout so long as the Risk/Reward balance isn't obviously out of whack.

Horrible changes to fighters. If fighters are going to be eaten up at this rate by NPC's they need to be priced as ammo.