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[March] Rorqual and Mining changes

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clipper shore
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#161 - 2017-02-23 20:41:19 UTC
wtf so if you get jammed you cannot use the panic module this is ******** and seems like the dev is looking for the easy option to fix a problem
Rusty Boon
Triglavian Menace
#162 - 2017-02-23 20:41:51 UTC
I want a complete refund on my Rorq/excavator drones/Skill points/time spent on training. You have now made the rorq completely worthless.

You need to completely rethink the mining changes. You cant go off and make this massive change to them in the first place, then kick them in the balls with the 32% nerf, then again with a 50% nerf... You guys are ridiculous.

The Rorq is a CAPITAL class ship. It should have Capital Class MINING. I trained into this ship because of my inability to play and earn money ingame. Now you are punishing myself and all the other casuals out there that are trying to keep up with all the people without lives/jobs/girlfriends.

Next thing you know you are going to create the equivalent of a jump fatigue timer for using the Industrial core...

get rekt fozzie... get rekt right in the pooper.
Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#163 - 2017-02-23 20:43:29 UTC
clipper shore wrote:
wtf so if you get jammed you cannot use the panic module this is ******** and seems like the dev is looking for the easy option to fix a problem


You can't get jammed in siege, cupcake. Just leave 1 Mercoxit roid alive in belt, Rorqual has 200km lock range base without the lock range skill even trained, with ECM immunity and 80% damp defence.

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Grognard Commissar
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#164 - 2017-02-23 20:43:39 UTC
urgh...
soooo.... you're making rorquals more of a target, while simultaneusly nerfing it's reward? also, that whole locked asteroid business... is literally the dumbest thing i've heard. why not just disallow activation fo offensive modules/ewar, like the NSAs.
I think rorqual yield is fine. the rorqs don't really impact the main minerals market.... just that minerals provided by roids need to be rebalanced.
FIX THE DAMNED MEX HOLE. FIX THE HEAVY WATER HOLE.
Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#165 - 2017-02-23 20:45:53 UTC
Rusty Boon wrote:
I want a complete refund on my Rorq/excavator drones/Skill points/time spent on training. You have now made the rorq completely worthless.

You need to completely rethink the mining changes. You cant go off and make this massive change to them in the first place, then kick them in the balls with the 32% nerf, then again with a 50% nerf... You guys are ridiculous.

The Rorq is a CAPITAL class ship. It should have Capital Class MINING. I trained into this ship because of my inability to play and earn money ingame. Now you are punishing myself and all the other casuals out there that are trying to keep up with all the people without lives/jobs/girlfriends.

Next thing you know you are going to create the equivalent of a jump fatigue timer for using the Industrial core...

get rekt fozzie... get rekt right in the pooper.


Its a 25% nerf not a 50% nerf friend.

The yield is being halfed, but the rate of fire is increasing by 33% by dropping cycle time from 90s to 60s. This is a 50% buff to yield.

As an example
Current Excavators will get 2 loads of ore in 3 minutes, or 2 loads current.
New Excavators will get 3 loads of ore in 3 minutes, but each load is half, so you'll get 1.5 loads of current.

2 to 1.5 is a 25% nerf.

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Sgt Warlock
30plus LLC
Brave Collective
#166 - 2017-02-23 20:49:13 UTC
Rusty Boon wrote:
I want a complete refund on my Rorq/excavator drones/Skill points/time spent on training. You have now made the rorq completely worthless.

You need to completely rethink the mining changes. You cant go off and make this massive change to them in the first place, then kick them in the balls with the 32% nerf, then again with a 50% nerf... You guys are ridiculous.

The Rorq is a CAPITAL class ship. It should have Capital Class MINING. I trained into this ship because of my inability to play and earn money ingame. Now you are punishing myself and all the other casuals out there that are trying to keep up with all the people without lives/jobs/girlfriends.



I agree on that! I want a refund too, for skills, time and isk

Also... Miners unite! cancel all sell orders and make all the prizes better! 1 million isk per mineral... all at once!
darthmoll Amatin
FAYN Industries
#167 - 2017-02-23 20:51:17 UTC
Malkshurr wrote:
At the beginning of Roqual dug as much as 4 hulks
It was then nerf by 32%
and now is the nerf by another 25%?

So one rorqual is 2 hulks now
2 hulks - 600 - 700 million
1 rorqual - 12 B

And you do not see the problem ?



totally aggree.

investing billions for the drones. now the market will drop. we loose isk on the drones. then on the mining yield. also not even worth having a rorq on field with indy core active against the loss cost if it gets killed. (yes i know about the depot)
can we get offgrid and ongrid boost options and let people decide if they want to go ongrid with rorq???

why ccp why.
do we get compensation for the excavator drones market loss?
NO.we dont. thx for nothing.

i am so demotivated by this.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#168 - 2017-02-23 20:53:04 UTC
Heralding a new era of a return to Hulk multi-boxing.
Grognard Commissar
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#169 - 2017-02-23 20:55:42 UTC
darthmoll Amatin wrote:
Malkshurr wrote:
At the beginning of Roqual dug as much as 4 hulks
It was then nerf by 32%
and now is the nerf by another 25%?

So one rorqual is 2 hulks now
2 hulks - 600 - 700 million
1 rorqual - 12 B

And you do not see the problem ?



totally aggree.

investing billions for the drones. now the market will drop. we loose isk on the drones. then on the mining yield. also not even worth having a rorq on field with indy core active against the loss cost if it gets killed. (yes i know about the depot)
can we get offgrid and ongrid boost options and let people decide if they want to go ongrid with rorq???

why ccp why.
do we get compensation for the excavator drones market loss?
NO.we dont. thx for nothing.

i am so demotivated by this.

also, remember, drones are killmails now...
Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues
Hookers N' Blow
#170 - 2017-02-23 20:55:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues
CCP Lebowski wrote:
Tribal Trogdor wrote:
Quote:
Initial activation of the PANIC module would require the Rorqual to have an active target lock on an asteroid.
So...if you go in and jam a rorq before he panics, he cant panic? that sounds like a pretty bad fix to the problem here
I mean he can panic, just not PANIC Blink


They needed a nerf, well done.

What about other changes announced last year at eve vegas or csm meetings etc. Cruiser rebal, medium AC, tiericide, RLML nerf etc etc. There are other aspects of the game that need tweaks.
Jura McBain
CRUZADOS
Goonswarm Federation
#171 - 2017-02-23 20:57:01 UTC
CCP in August 2016: " Rorqs need love so people will use them again"

CCP in Feb 2017: " Rorqs must be nerf"

CCP are you mad? Please Sthaapppp Sthaapppppp
Grognard Commissar
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#172 - 2017-02-23 20:57:41 UTC
caldari MJ wrote:

fozzie nerfed anything in WH's and deprived us tasty targets in w-space. We started rolling 0-sec and fozzie nerfed our targets in 0-sec's....facepalm.jpg. Fozzie, i hate you, you realy bad man, how you can sleep every night while so many people hate u?))))

you know u dun fukd up ur rorqual changes, when even the rorqual hunters are salty
Redblazer696
Scumbag Logistics INC PTY LTD
#173 - 2017-02-23 20:58:21 UTC
Why cant we just do something simple like what you have done to the "Network Sensor Arrays" on carriers make an utterly ridiculous capacitor cost for activating EWAR while in Panic mode = To over its total cap pool
Momiji Sakora
Omni Galactic
Central Omni Galactic Group
#174 - 2017-02-23 20:58:51 UTC
I just want to call out for emphasis - you can EWAR the rorqual now so it can't use it's panic module.
Jean-Luc II
Doomheim
#175 - 2017-02-23 20:59:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jean-Luc II
CCP, You need to drastically decrease the price of the Excavators to around 300 mill sharpish for the players who fly Rorquals to be OK with this. Even then there are going to be a lot of people really not happy about this who have invested SP training and ISK already into huge fleets of your mighty Rorquals, to be left with the equivalent of 2 Hulks per Roqual which costs mega bills a pop with Excavators and a decent fit. Honestly, this defines all logic.
Sgt Warlock
30plus LLC
Brave Collective
#176 - 2017-02-23 21:03:06 UTC
Jean-Luc II wrote:
CCP, You need to drastically decrease the price of the Excavators to around 300 mill sharpish for the players who fly Rorquals to be OK with this. Even then there are going to be a lot of people really not happy about this who have invested SP training and ISK already into huge fleets of your mighty Rorquals, to be left with the equivalent of 2 Hulks per Roqual which costs 20 bill a pop. Honestly, this defines all logic.


that requires everyone who has excavator drones to be refunded 1,2 bill per drone too
Mattersn2
Out-of-Space
#177 - 2017-02-23 21:04:24 UTC
So ... reducing the yield to another 25% but can we decrease the time of a industrial core of 25% too ?? seriously ... if i go with 2 other hulks that can warp nearly instantly out and a rorqual keeps there for 5 mins and does only double of that income ...

that is WAY more RISK than income in my eyes ...


and to keep the mineral prices up bring something like max. 15 industrial cores in range of 600 km ....
Horus Cherenkov
Floating Goats in Space
#178 - 2017-02-23 21:07:12 UTC
Just tossing my opinion on the pile:

I can understand the nerf to yield, and I hate it, but I can understand it. Thats fine.

The PANIC change is so contrived its a little absurd. Just disable Ewar with PANIC. Very simple change.
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#179 - 2017-02-23 21:07:27 UTC
So the CSM got a freebie to Iceland..

Then decided to shaft the miners again?

Way to go guys :/

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Momiji Sakora
Omni Galactic
Central Omni Galactic Group
#180 - 2017-02-23 21:08:43 UTC
Excavator drone materials to build need to be cut to match the cut in yield.