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[March] Rorqual and Mining changes

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Redblazer696
Scumbag Logistics INC PTY LTD
#181 - 2017-02-23 21:11:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Redblazer696
Ehhhh
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#182 - 2017-02-23 21:13:38 UTC
While I understand the desire to limit the PANIC module to defensive instead of offensive uses, the mechanic you chose to achieve that end seems rather broken.

Attackers bring EWAR to the belt? No PANIC.
Rorq pilot happens to not be actively mining yet still supporting the mining op? No PANIC.


Not to mention...is there any other module in the game that requires a target lock on a particular class of object in order to activate an effect that does nothing to the targeted object? One-off mechanics like this are just bad design.

CCP...scrap this and go back to the drawing board. Surely there is another way to limit PANIC modules to non-combat situations.

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Whisperen
Kenshin.
The Initiative.
#183 - 2017-02-23 21:13:46 UTC
**** changes disallow tackle during panic just like carriers and NSA's that is it you had one job to do.
Momiji Sakora
Omni Galactic
Central Omni Galactic Group
#184 - 2017-02-23 21:14:19 UTC
What did the CSM think of this?
Querns
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#185 - 2017-02-23 21:14:36 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:

Attackers bring EWAR to the belt? No PANIC.


Wrong. The Industrial Core provides full EWAR immunity.

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Redblazer696
Scumbag Logistics INC PTY LTD
#186 - 2017-02-23 21:14:49 UTC
CCP Lebowski wrote:
Tribal Trogdor wrote:
Quote:
Initial activation of the PANIC module would require the Rorqual to have an active target lock on an asteroid.
So...if you go in and jam a rorq before he panics, he cant panic? that sounds like a pretty bad fix to the problem here
I mean he can panic, just not PANIC Blink



Your a ********** mate, To even think this is funny means you dont have what it takes to be a Dev.
Tempkin
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#187 - 2017-02-23 21:17:34 UTC
Need bigger looking roids.
Anya Aivora
Sister Margaret's School for Wayward Clones
#188 - 2017-02-23 21:22:00 UTC
Okay so you want rorqs to only use panic when mining.

What you have now done has made it so panic is completely useless. They can't use panic when ecm'd.

You simple could have made them "be within 200km of an asteroid BELT/anom to use panic", and made the anom stick around for 5 minutes at the least to allow rorqs to get out.

You could have made ewar not usable while paniced.

You could have made it so so aggressive actions can be used while paniced.

But no, you go with the one approach that is the most backwards and stupid idea you've ever come up with, and you've had a lot of stupid ideas. (remember when you thought mining drones*rorqual*350mil/hr was a good idea?)

A rorqual can now be killed by a small group with ecm. Or can be killed when still sieged in the belt once you finish mining it out. Well done ccp.

The mining amount for a none sieged rorq was perfect before the first nerf. You should be nerfing the indy core and not the drones.

12+Bil sieged is not an amount worth using for 2.5 hulks worth of ore.

130mil/hr for a 12bil rorq, this is a little over what a perfect hulk got mining before the the expansion If I didn't say it yet, WELL DONE CCP. Hell 2 vni's are a better way of making isk than 2.5 hulks, or 1 rorqual.
Querns
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#189 - 2017-02-23 21:22:46 UTC
Anya Aivora wrote:

What you have now done has made it so panic is completely useless. They can't use panic when ecm'd.


Wrong. Industrial cores provide full ECM immunity when running.

(Times I have repeated this: 3)

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Hlory Gole
Not Great. Not terrible
Muh Zkill...
#190 - 2017-02-23 21:27:01 UTC
Jura McBain wrote:
Thanks for ruining my skill queu and waste my time to sit in a rorqual. YOu make more change more time we waste in learning the skill to use a rorq. I want refund of my sub because i wasted months (money) training something you are nerfing every day. Ans liek some apointed before.

2 hulks 600M
1 Rorq 12B.

Now ,what is the point of mining whit rorqs?

Answer: waste time for learning useless skills.

I don't even want to calculate the investment in skills alone. And if CCP continue employing retards, I will have to extract all those skills back.
Jura McBain
Perkone
Caldari State
#191 - 2017-02-23 21:27:35 UTC
Jura McBain wrote:
CCP in August 2016: " Rorqs need love so people will use them again"

CCP in Feb 2017: " Rorqs must be nerf"

CCP are you mad? Please Sthaapppp Sthaapppppp



http://imgur.com/a/FH7XS


ROFL
clipper shore
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#192 - 2017-02-23 21:29:20 UTC
BURN JITTA TILL ALL THE NERFS ARE REVERSED
Grymwulf
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#193 - 2017-02-23 21:30:30 UTC
Querns wrote:
Anya Aivora wrote:

What you have now done has made it so panic is completely useless. They can't use panic when ecm'd.


Wrong. Industrial cores provide full ECM immunity when running.

(Times I have repeated this: 3)


I've seen this stated, but don't notice anything in the attributes of the Industrial Core that indicate that this ability is granted.

I see -80% resistance bonuses to Sensor Dampener, Remote Assistance Impedance, but nothing regarding ECM.

I'm a jerk.  Get used to it.

Vagizzle Schrimshank
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#194 - 2017-02-23 21:30:45 UTC
Querns wrote:
Anya Aivora wrote:

What you have now done has made it so panic is completely useless. They can't use panic when ecm'd.


Wrong. Industrial cores provide full ECM immunity when running.

(Times I have repeated this: 3)



Wrong

Anya statement is entirely correct. If a rorqual is ECM'd it will not be able to PANIC. No where in their statement did they mention the core was on. You are assuming the core is always on.
Matou83
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#195 - 2017-02-23 21:32:11 UTC
go trash rorqual?
serisouly CCP for the trash

continue the direction opinion and **** you for my money
Momiji Sakora
Omni Galactic
Central Omni Galactic Group
#196 - 2017-02-23 21:32:34 UTC
CCP - Rorquals are OP best put them back where they were before we buffed them.
Grymwulf
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#197 - 2017-02-23 21:35:12 UTC
Grymwulf wrote:
Querns wrote:
Anya Aivora wrote:

What you have now done has made it so panic is completely useless. They can't use panic when ecm'd.


Wrong. Industrial cores provide full ECM immunity when running.

(Times I have repeated this: 3)


I've seen this stated, but don't notice anything in the attributes of the Industrial Core that indicate that this ability is granted.

I see -80% resistance bonuses to Sensor Dampener, Remote Assistance Impedance, but nothing regarding ECM.


I just tested it, and you are quite correct - "xxx cannot be influenced by xxx ECM due to its resistances."

Limitation: Industrial Core must be active.

I'm a jerk.  Get used to it.

socos
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#198 - 2017-02-23 21:36:37 UTC  |  Edited by: socos
The worst thing of all this is that CCP needs (again) to balance something that was just redesigned (the rorqual concept).

Next time when they do a major change they need to investigate better what the consequence will be and avoid a situation like this when they have to do 2 nerfs in less then 3 months.

People is investing isk / time / injectors / skills to a patch or a change and they got :scammed: by ccp
Querns
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#199 - 2017-02-23 21:37:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Querns
Grymwulf wrote:
Querns wrote:
Anya Aivora wrote:

What you have now done has made it so panic is completely useless. They can't use panic when ecm'd.


Wrong. Industrial cores provide full ECM immunity when running.

(Times I have repeated this: 3)


I've seen this stated, but don't notice anything in the attributes of the Industrial Core that indicate that this ability is granted.

I see -80% resistance bonuses to Sensor Dampener, Remote Assistance Impedance, but nothing regarding ECM.

https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/info/?typeid=42890

Hit the attributes tab, scroll all the way to the bottom. ECMResistance 0%. (This value is inverted; 0% means "immune.")

Edit: Saw your post above after I hit submit; more verification is always good!

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Querns
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#200 - 2017-02-23 21:38:50 UTC
Vagizzle Schrimshank wrote:
Querns wrote:
Anya Aivora wrote:

What you have now done has made it so panic is completely useless. They can't use panic when ecm'd.


Wrong. Industrial cores provide full ECM immunity when running.

(Times I have repeated this: 3)



Wrong

Anya statement is entirely correct. If a rorqual is ECM'd it will not be able to PANIC. No where in their statement did they mention the core was on. You are assuming the core is always on.


If the rorqual is in the belt, it's probably sieged.

The purpose of PANIC is to allow you time to exit siege, so you can catch remote reps from escalating Force Auxiliaries.

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