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Where did the fun go?

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Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#121 - 2017-02-07 17:24:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Mieyli
Salvos, are you from the planet Vulkan?

I recommend you tone down the aggression which you use in defense of your logic. Logic is a process of expanding your initial assumptions, so whatever conclusion you arrive at is not logical it is opinion. Often your arguments do make some sense, but at times you pursue them like a dog with a bone, and it puts people off. You can claim it's their problem, but if you consistently create drama well that is your problem. It may be difficult to accept, but people are not rational all of the time. You can't expect every social environment to be rational.

Having said that, I quite often enjoy reading your arguments with people, especially when the other person is in an indefensible position yet continues to try.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#122 - 2017-02-07 17:46:32 UTC
I didn't go back to sleep for long enough...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Salvos Rhoska
#123 - 2017-02-07 17:54:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Im not from Vulcan. Im from Finland, which is probbly the closest thing.

I read the opinions and positions here with deep concern.

Im not buying the premises stated and find them largely selfmotivated for personal gain, as well of censoring of what they dont like.

Ill join you on reddit and you will no doubt identify me promplty, down vote what I say that you dont like, and pressure mods to remove me.

It was claimed that reddit offers more freedom than here.
Lets see if that is true.
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#124 - 2017-02-07 18:03:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Mieyli
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Im not from Vulcan. Im from Finland, which is probbly the closest thing.

I read the opinions and positions here with deep concern.

Im not buying the premises stated and find them largely selfmotivated for personal gain, as well of censoring of what they dont like.

Ill join you on reddit and you will no doubt identify me promplty, down vote what I say that you dont like, and pressure mods to remove me.

Lets see.

It was claimed that reddit offers more freedom than here.
Lets see if that is true.


I don't actually use reddit and I would really like these forums to be The place to come for eve discussions. After falcons comments about a new forum, I want to discuss how this new forum could be as good as possible.

I get the concern about player moderation through down votes, and the cliques that it can form. However it's a fact that right now reddit is getting more eve traffic than these forums. They must be doing something right. It's also true that if you present yourself in a friendly manner then you are unlikely to be downvoted. Even still, it's possible that we can take the up/down vote system and improve on it. Perhaps even a blended forum where users can choose to auto hide posts with a certain number of dislikes, adjustable by tolerance of different opinions (no of dislikes).

Edit: as Frostys has said, reddit offers freedom in the sense you are free to post why you like and others are free to react.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#125 - 2017-02-07 18:21:40 UTC
Salvos, there is nothing wrong with posting like tiresome 13 year old, (when you are 13) but it is posters like you which lead to these forums being so fiercely censored.

For the good of the forums, just stop.

This is not a signature.

Kaleb Mynwarra
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#126 - 2017-02-07 18:22:27 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Salvos, there is nothing wrong with posting like tiresome 13 year old, (when you are 13) but it is posters like you which lead to these forums being so fiercely censored.

For the good of the forums, just stop.


This

"All right, everybody, just calm down" - Space Ghost

"For 800 years ...." - some little green man

sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#127 - 2017-02-07 18:25:50 UTC  |  Edited by: sero Hita
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Im not from Vulcan. Im from Finland, which is probbly the closest thing.

I read the opinions and positions here with deep concern.

Im not buying the premises stated and find them largely selfmotivated for personal gain, as well of censoring of what they dont like.

Ill join you on reddit and you will no doubt identify me promplty, down vote what I say that you dont like, and pressure mods to remove me.

It was claimed that reddit offers more freedom than here.
Lets see if that is true.


well, at least you go in with a positive mindset, so what can go wrong? No self-fullfilling prophecies here.... I will prove they will downvote me...

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker

Kaleb Mynwarra
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#128 - 2017-02-07 18:29:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaleb Mynwarra
sero Hita wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Im not from Vulcan. Im from Finland, which is probbly the closest thing.

I read the opinions and positions here with deep concern.

Im not buying the premises stated and find them largely selfmotivated for personal gain, as well of censoring of what they dont like.

Ill join you on reddit and you will no doubt identify me promplty, down vote what I say that you dont like, and pressure mods to remove me.

It was claimed that reddit offers more freedom than here.
Lets see if that is true.


well, at least you go in with positive mindset, so what can go wrong? No self-fullfilling prophecies here.... I will prove they will downvote me...


Just had this vision -

" I'm telling you those people don't want me at the party"
15 minutes later the guy get tossed out after taking a dump on the homeowners kitchen table
"See I told you. Those people are a bunch of haters"

"All right, everybody, just calm down" - Space Ghost

"For 800 years ...." - some little green man

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#129 - 2017-02-07 19:49:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Much as I hate to give certain people some slack; right before the drop Twisted, the previous derailment is on me.

My bad, I allowed him to get my goat.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#130 - 2017-02-07 20:00:24 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Much as I hate to give certain people some slack; right before the drop Twisted, the previous derailment is on me.

My bad, I allowed him to get my goat.


Stealing a Goat is a felony in my state. Texas Law!

Big smile
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#131 - 2017-02-07 20:02:02 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Much as I hate to give certain people some slack; right before the drop Twisted, the previous derailment is on me.

My bad, I allowed him to get my goat.


Stealing a Goat is a felony in my state. Texas Law!

Big smile
In Texas the goat is often a spouse P

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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FearlessLittleToaster
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#132 - 2017-02-07 20:03:15 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:


The idea will be to promote more open and direct (but civil) discussion, and give the community a more relaxed place to talk about spaceships P


As an elder god who requires the hate and misery of mortals to exist I must protest this change. I didn't drive Hilmar mad with my dark whispering for it to end so soon. Getting all this set up was a lot of effort, and it was supposed to be a steady food supply for the future. I mean I just spawned, so now I have millions of tiny figments of purest evil about to hatch! How am I supposed to feed them? Think of the children!

If you go through with this madness I'll be waiting for you in that instant of darkness when you blink. And I'll sue. One of these should scare you way more than the other, just sayin.
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#133 - 2017-02-07 20:18:46 UTC
“If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the greater his effort the heavier the world bore down upon his shoulders - What would you tell him?"

I…don't know. What…could he do? What would you tell him?"
“To shrug."

ISD Max Trix

Lieutenant

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

I do not respond to EVE mails about forum moderation.

Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#134 - 2017-02-07 20:38:09 UTC
Oh jeez, not Ayn Rand...


(and people call us a cult...)

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#135 - 2017-02-07 22:39:24 UTC
Mr Mieyli wrote:
I don't actually use reddit and I would really like these forums to be The place to come for eve discussions. After falcons comments about a new forum, I want to discuss how this new forum could be as good as possible.

As one of the regulars here, I definitely hope the new forums leads to a pickup in activity.

At the same time, I still think there is space for all of the current platforms used by our community, especially reddit.

Whether it's because of some big fight, some great propoganda, or someone creates a thread that is designed as clickbait (eg. I have a hangar full of drugs. What's the best way to sell them), threads from r/eve often end up appearing in the broader subreddits, including r/all where EVE is then seen by a much larger population. Every week almost, there will be an r/eve thread that makes it out to r/all, or r/gaming. It's almost placement of the product through community effort, without CCP having to do much.

If everything occured here only (or more here and the reddit community was less active), the community would be a lot more insular.

As good as traditional forums are for communication and discussion, active communities on reddit and twitter also provide benefits that forums don't offer.

The best is all of the platforms active. None more important than any other.
Circumstantial Evidence
#136 - 2017-02-07 23:02:14 UTC
One of the better values here is the "dev posts" roll-up. Does such a thing exist in Reddit? or has someone made a site I could bookmark that conglomerates all known ccp user posts on Reddit ?
Lugh Crow-Slave
#137 - 2017-02-07 23:44:17 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hey Guys Big smile

Thanks for the comments, it's nice to know there's still a sizeable amount of people who care about the health of the forums, for sure.

We're actually in the middle of testing an entirely new forum system with the assistance of our Volunteer team, and we'll more than likely be looking to roll it out somewhere toward the summer Smile

The rollout of these forums is going to include a complete rewrite of the forum rules (relaxing quite a few of them), re-organizing our forum categories and the introduction of a new mandate for ISD in terms of how moderation is carried out, as well as a few other things that the community team will be blogging about in the not too distant future (more than likely soon after Fanfest, which happens in April).

The idea will be to promote more open and direct (but civil) discussion, and give the community a more relaxed place to talk about spaceships P

We'll have more information in the near future <3




but the big question


will the devs still be easier to reach on reddit making these forums pointless
Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
#138 - 2017-02-07 23:51:26 UTC
Reddit is a malodorous skunk hole, where the infighting for fame is extraordinarily vicious, because the prizes are so small.

If I was rethinking this forum, I'd be thinking about what people would pay for, and try to structure it that way, so that the forums can be a self-sustaining creation.

With that overall philosophy I'd look at three things, newsworthiness, fun and visual appeal.

There always tends to be one forum that people pile into.

On these forums it's probably General Discussion.

Why is that?

I call that feature, newsworthiness. It's up to date information across a spectrum of interests. A function of information and time.

So that would be important to have. A big crazy tavern of all sorts of conversation.

Next would be fun. I'd reward good posting, which I break into two groups; fun and/or informative.

Wow! Nice post, here have a fancy EVE jacket, in game or real. Or some game time, or a pile of ISK.

Then the visual stuff, we are all about graphics. Which makes sense, light is a speedy carrier of information, so we tend to rely on our eyes.

How can players create visual content for the EVE forums?

Currently linking to other places gets you a popup message warning you of the dangers of the internet and reminding you to stay in the safe arms of EVE.

So it makes it difficult to organise a ship design contest, or even make a funny gif of being podded.

That's the areas I'd look at.

And I'd take it easy on the heavy breathed marketer with the bad tie, knocking on my spaceship window.


~ ~~ Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox. ~~ ~

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#139 - 2017-02-08 00:35:10 UTC
Anarchy (sorry, "freedom") is about all Reddit has going for it. It's another medium no better or wosrse than Twitter or Facebook. I neither support or condemn it - but it would sure be nice to see the Official EVE Forums spruced up.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Kaleb Mynwarra
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#140 - 2017-02-08 00:39:18 UTC
Hir Miriel wrote:
Reddit is a malodorous skunk hole, where the infighting for fame is extraordinarily vicious, because the prizes are so small.

If I was rethinking this forum, I'd be thinking about what people would pay for, and try to structure it that way, so that the forums can be a self-sustaining creation.

With that overall philosophy I'd look at three things, newsworthiness, fun and visual appeal.

There always tends to be one forum that people pile into.

On these forums it's probably General Discussion.

Why is that?

I call that feature, newsworthiness. It's up to date information across a spectrum of interests. A function of information and time.

So that would be important to have. A big crazy tavern of all sorts of conversation.

Next would be fun. I'd reward good posting, which I break into two groups; fun and/or informative.

Wow! Nice post, here have a fancy EVE jacket, in game or real. Or some game time, or a pile of ISK.

Then the visual stuff, we are all about graphics. Which makes sense, light is a speedy carrier of information, so we tend to rely on our eyes.

How can players create visual content for the EVE forums?

Currently linking to other places gets you a popup message warning you of the dangers of the internet and reminding you to stay in the safe arms of EVE.

So it makes it difficult to organise a ship design contest, or even make a funny gif of being podded.

That's the areas I'd look at.

And I'd take it easy on the heavy breathed marketer with the bad tie, knocking on my spaceship window.




There's a few former threads that used to be here that aren't anymore. Though I can't recall the exact title there was a thread specifically earmarked for alliance/corporate warfare. The volume of posts rivaled general. If memory serves there were multiple posts and/or posters promoting the catch phrase " there is no ( insert name ) "

"All right, everybody, just calm down" - Space Ghost

"For 800 years ...." - some little green man