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Where did the fun go?

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#81 - 2017-02-07 13:54:23 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You get a +1 just for Monty Python Lol

You haven't truly lived until you've gone to the castle and done the coconut thing (they actually have coconuts).

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#82 - 2017-02-07 13:57:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Killmails, memes and being able to b*tch about things that would be locked here.


That right there is called FREEDOM. Like I said, it's Ironic as all hell that EVE is a game about freedom of action (with what most MMO players would called a very loose/Laissez-faire set of rules) and yet the forums resemble Soviet Siberia. Once you understand that EVE players generally don't like to be told what to do, you understand why this place is so stale and EVE related subs on Reddit are thriving.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#83 - 2017-02-07 14:01:42 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
That right there is called FREEDOM. Like I said, it's odd as hell that EVE is a game about freedom of action (with what most MMO players would called a very loose/Laissez-faire set of rules) and yet the forums resemble Soviet Siberia. Once you understand that EVE players generally don't like to be told what to do, you understand why this place is so stale and EVe related subs on Reddit are thriving.

There's another word for that too: Anarchy. Don't get me wrong, I check EVE Reddit out on a regular basis, too (even if a lot of the memes are way over my head). There's probably a place for both, and an improved official forum with a looser set of rules isn't the worst thing that could happen, either.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Salvos Rhoska
#84 - 2017-02-07 14:33:21 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Once you understand that EVE players generally don't like to be told what to do, you understand why this place is so stale and EVE related subs on Reddit are thriving.


Players, yes, perhaps. They enjoy shiptoasting, currying favor with partisan mods, mass up/down voting items against their agenda.
Players can make any cancerous forum wherever they want.

But Devs? Thats where the problem lies. Ive seen it happen in too many other games where Devs and self-interested players get too buddy-buddy. The result is invariably a cliche and an echo-chamber.

It is admirable, in all instances, that Devs want to participate and interact with the community.
But there are real dangers there, especially in EVE which famously has the most proficient and conniving AWOXers of any game, ever.

Thats part of the reason the CSM exist, so as to create a community elected representative as first point of contact.
Thats also why this board exists, with its restrictions, so as to enable constructive feedback.

In essence, the Reddit board is (successful) an attempt to draw Devs off this board, to theirs, where the Redditors can autonomously regulate content without CCP restrictions on Dev or player (anonymous or not) participants, in their own interest.

Kaleb Mynwarra
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#85 - 2017-02-07 14:37:04 UTC
So yeah , I start my day with a cup of coffee and check out what's new.

Save for the couple having a death match with pool toys , the comments here have been great.

With that I'm gonna slide outta da way before the "yo mamma" insults start flying

"All right, everybody, just calm down" - Space Ghost

"For 800 years ...." - some little green man

Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#86 - 2017-02-07 14:42:28 UTC
Kaleb Mynwarra wrote:
With that I'm gonna slide outta da way before the "yo mamma" insults start flying

F*** it Dude. Let's go bowling.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#87 - 2017-02-07 14:45:15 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Once you understand that EVE players generally don't like to be told what to do, you understand why this place is so stale and EVE related subs on Reddit are thriving.


Players, yes, perhaps. They enjoy shiptoasting, currying favor with partisan mods, mass up/down voting items against their agenda.
Players can make any cancerous forum wherever they want.

But Devs? Thats where the problem lies. Ive seen it happen in too many other games where Devs and self-interested players get too buddy-buddy. The result is invariably a cliche and an echo-chamber.

It is admirable, in all instances, that Devs want to participate and interact with the community.
But there are real dangers there, especially in EVE which famously has the most proficient and conniving AWOXers of any game, ever.

Thats part of the reason the CSM exist, so as to create a community elected representative as first point of contact.
Thats also why this board exists, with its restrictions, so as to enable constructive feedback.

In essence, the Reddit board is (successful) an attempt to draw Devs off this board, to theirs, where the Redditors can autonomously regulate content without CCP restrictions on Dev or player (anonymous or not) participants, in their own interest.



Reddit even has a sub for people who think like you.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#88 - 2017-02-07 14:48:22 UTC
FACT: I'm going back to sleep. Way too early in the morning for this still...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Salvos Rhoska
#89 - 2017-02-07 14:50:00 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Once you understand that EVE players generally don't like to be told what to do, you understand why this place is so stale and EVE related subs on Reddit are thriving.


Players, yes, perhaps. They enjoy shiptoasting, currying favor with partisan mods, mass up/down voting items against their agenda.
Players can make any cancerous forum wherever they want.

But Devs? Thats where the problem lies. Ive seen it happen in too many other games where Devs and self-interested players get too buddy-buddy. The result is invariably a cliche and an echo-chamber.

It is admirable, in all instances, that Devs want to participate and interact with the community.
But there are real dangers there, especially in EVE which famously has the most proficient and conniving AWOXers of any game, ever.

Thats part of the reason the CSM exist, so as to create a community elected representative as first point of contact.
Thats also why this board exists, with its restrictions, so as to enable constructive feedback.

In essence, the Reddit board is (successful) an attempt to draw Devs off this board, to theirs, where the Redditors can autonomously regulate content without CCP restrictions on Dev or player (anonymous or not) participants, in their own interest.



Reddit even has a sub for people who think like you.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/


Thanks, but I think it applies to the EVE specific Reddit page, as described above, adequately.

No point on which you have refuted, except by this sideline.
Kaleb Mynwarra
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#90 - 2017-02-07 14:52:08 UTC
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Kaleb Mynwarra wrote:
With that I'm gonna slide outta da way before the "yo mamma" insults start flying

F*** it Dude. Let's go bowling.


You buy the beer

"All right, everybody, just calm down" - Space Ghost

"For 800 years ...." - some little green man

Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#91 - 2017-02-07 14:57:27 UTC
Kaleb Mynwarra wrote:
Kaleb Mynwarra wrote:
With that I'm gonna slide outta da way before the "yo mamma" insults start flying
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
F*** it Dude. Let's go bowling.
You buy the beer

Lagers or you want some fancy IPAs, APAs, wheat beers?

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Shamharoth Bel Sinak
#92 - 2017-02-07 15:32:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Shamharoth Bel Sinak
I hate to burst your bubble Salvos, while some of what you claim is, in all likelihood, fact, the remainder is actually supposition which by its very nature is not fact.

My heart can be yours, for a cost. Assorted limbs and organs also available to order.

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#93 - 2017-02-07 15:38:06 UTC
Kaleb Mynwarra wrote:


With that I'm gonna slide outta da way before the "yo mamma" insults start flying


You can't slide out of here, Yo momma's stuck in the slide...
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#94 - 2017-02-07 15:59:39 UTC
Removed a whole bunch of off topic posts. Keep it civil and on topic, thanks.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#95 - 2017-02-07 16:01:00 UTC
INB4 ISD post about a rather large clean-up of the thread with a rather large list of broken rules.

While Falcon kinda somewhat announced a new rule set for the future forums, you guys keep doing the job you were ultimately asked to do so I can't fault you on that.

EDIT : Dammit Dorrim...
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#96 - 2017-02-07 16:01:56 UTC
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Why bother Falcon? Just shut down forums and make 3rd parties do them like you did with EvE wiki.
As devs you shot your own knee caps. People don't even bother to post feedback in blue threads, similiar reddit ones have twice that much comments.


Is it bad that this is the first thing I thought as well? See you all on r/eve Smile

@lunettelulu7

sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#97 - 2017-02-07 16:02:52 UTC  |  Edited by: sero Hita
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Who is worse?



It's ok to kill people guys, someone else did worse before.

This thread is so derailed by now we can't even see the tracks anymore so who cares right?


Ironically it is also a part of the answer to the OP, so i wouldn't call it a complete derail.The forums are not fun, because you have some people who always derail and you can´t downvote them. At least Lucas and sol projekt are on a break. There are others who take over though, making each discussion quite painful. That is why people don´t like these forums IMO.

Besides these are the official forums, people come here to complain, it is a very negative place generally. And it is the same circle arguments over and over. That is why I prefer platform like Reddit, the negativity is in a better balance with positivie/funny posts there. I frequent GD for a couple of months every half year untill I burn out again due to the type of discussions and negativity.

I am quite surprised though that this has not been locked down or cleaned up... Perhaps this is our new lighting rod thread.... once in a while we are allowed one of those . o7 sweet prince.....

Edit... ninja cleanup while writing. GJ ISD

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker

Salvos Rhoska
#98 - 2017-02-07 16:06:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Alrighty then.

Ill come join you on Reddit in full force.

Lets see if your claims are true.
I doubt it.

Im sure my posts will be downvoted by vested interests, and posts/account deleted by pocket mods.

Lets see if your claim of "freedom" there pans out.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#99 - 2017-02-07 16:10:24 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Alrighty then.

Ill come join you on Reddit in full force.

Lets see if your claims are true.
I doubt it.

Im sure my posts will be downvoted by vested interests, and posts/account deleted by pocket mods.

Lets see if your claim of freedom there pans out.



What you don't understand is that wherever you go you will get the same reception, ISD'd to oblivion here or Downvoted to the same oblivion at Reddit, because your communication skills are bad and you are off-putting.
Salvos Rhoska
#100 - 2017-02-07 16:16:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Jenn aSide wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Alrighty then.

Ill come join you on Reddit in full force.

Lets see if your claims are true.
I doubt it.

Im sure my posts will be downvoted by vested interests, and posts/account deleted by pocket mods.

Lets see if your claim of freedom there pans out.



What you don't understand is that wherever you go you will get the same reception, ISD'd to oblivion here or Downvoted to the same oblivion at Reddit, because your communication skills are bad and you are off-putting.


Sorry I put you off, but thats your problem, not mine.
You might want to ask yourself as to why that is.

You claim Reddit offers freedom.
Are you now saying that only applies to those you agree with?

Does my syntax and format offend you?
Are you triggered?

This again just justifies my original statement on the nature of Reddit.
Mass opinion up/down voting of what ypu "dont like".

Where is the freedom in that?
No wonder you evacuated from here, when your person and opinions are so contrived that you need an echo-chamber to support them, rather than them standing on their own with you defending them.

Here, I am moderated by ISD and rules to which I have agreed to.
Yes, my freedom of expression is curtailed, but it is by contract and for good reason, by trained and accounted representatives.

On Reddit, however, where is my freedom of expression?
Mods are not accountable. Up/down voting is mass action against the position of an equal individual.

There is nothing wrong with my communication skills.
There is something wrong with yours, when you cannot accept and deal with differing positions.