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I said the same thing to my ex wife

That said I think some people aren't interested in making a point. It's worse than trolling though. Some people place more value in arguing. It doesn't matter what they argue about so long as they get to argue. I wouldn't be shocked to see if this guys posting history was filled with argumentative diatribes.

Holy fudge Salvos, how did you get my post that I claim there is more "Freedom" on reddit? I never mentioned that, in fact there is a very hard crowd censorship, which I prefer. I said the problem on these forums are that you cannot reallly punish people for going off topic, like you are offtopic again right now and I can´t downvote you. Stay on topic, Man.

You prefer that?

Really?

PS: I havent gone off-topic, except in responding to Jonah, the posts of which have been deleted.
Surely you see I have remained ontopic.

You have the freedom to be reviled and cast out. It's not that your opinions are bad. They are, but it's not just that. It's that your bad opinions are badly presented, badly communicated, badly defended, and condescending as all get out. The only reason that's "[our] problem, not [yours]" is because it's technically not breaking any rules. If the best thing you can say about your freedom of speech is "I technically can't be imprisoned for what I'm saying" then your arguments are automatically wrong. You can say what you want (within the rules laid out) but that doesn't mean you deserve to be heard. And that's where sites like reddit have some power to improve content by making dumb people turn invisible. It's not perfect, and I'm not a reddit fan at all, but people will go to where the best content is, and that's obviously not here. Not any more.

In a gaming related website, that i frequent for fun, sure. In a reallife media or forum, not at all. The thing is as this is purely leisure for me and doesn´t affect RL, i don´t need to hear every opinion, i just want fun to enlighten my mood from the trivialities of RL. If we were in a RL townhall i would insist that your opinions were heard, here in the proxy of new eden I want you downvoted to oblivion. Hope I explained that good enough.

And I think that the severe negativity you are forced to read, when entering these forums contribute to the very state of the these forums. Some times you just want to relax, and get postive input.

The last sentence you wrote was the reason I made this thread. I remember a time when it was a worthwhile place. Falcons information gives me the impression it could return to that.

On reddit, these Salvos posts would have trailed off into their own thing.

This is another example of why Reddit is better. Reddit doesn't exhaust your patience like this place does.

It's human nature to want the person you are talking to to "get it". So you try to phrase what you say in different ways trying to make a break through. So when someone refuses to understand but instead proceeds to twist what is said into something that serves their purpose (see above quoted post), the average person is left with a feeling that the person they are talking too is just being stubborn.

Stubborn people on these forums get to keep going. Stubborn people on reddit get recognized as such by community regulars and downvoted, limiting how much those posters can irritate others with their intransigence.

This is why people like Salvos love it here, short of ISD intervention no one can really do anything about the crazy they spew. At places like Reddit people have tools to deal with it.

If the new forums don't have some kind of downvote feature (even just a mild "I'm showing my displeasure but I cannot silence you" kind), they will fail and people will still prefer reddit and places like it.

Willful misunderstanding does not make you correct. It just makes you wrong in new and far less interesting ways. I would say *readingcomprehensionfail* but it's obvious you do it on purpose, because you are not only a troll, but bad at being a troll.

If you fail to be broadly understood, that is your personal failure. lrn2wrdz. And if you fail so consistently to be understood, every single day, to the point where you become a financial liability for the corporation hosting the venue, yes you absolutely should be removed. In fact, I'm so critical of CCP on these forums often enough that I probably ought to be removed.

edit: bolded the parts that you chose not to understand instead of simply lacking the capacity to understand.

We all know someone like that. I have a co-worker like that, will argue with everyone about the smallest thing, never lsitens, is assured of his superiority to everyone else etc. He has only slightly less time on the job than I do (almost 19 years) but I've been promoted/elevated 5 times and he's still at the position he was at when he started. Of course he's still there because "everybody is stupid"