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Whoops, double post.

so you go from 3000m3 to 18000+ m3 by siege

I kind of feel that the out of siege number is to low, i would personally like to see it half of the siege


so 9000m3 for unsieged and 18000+ for sieged.

That way your still doing better then a couple of hulks (as you should be since its a 3 billion isk ship and the drones are over a hulks cost each)


this also makes it worth it even in regions that are less then friendly alot of the time.

"I see your point of more ganking miners"
Please point out where I said this. I just said that the rorqual shouldn't be nigh-invunlnerable.

"Has it ever occurred to you why people leave eve? They are tired of getting jumped all the time, even in HS if they wanted a fight they would just go to NS, LS or WH's.."
You are aware that by your logic anyone using the rorqual wants a fight? Since they have to go to lowsec, nullsec, or wormholes to fly it. Also, EvE is a PvP game built around the fact that anyone can show up and wreck your stuff. Love it or leave it.

"what you don't want a good fight with someone shooting back at you?"
The Rorqual itself deals 2000DPS max while in siege, and any skiffs supporting it can be nasty themselves. And there will be combat ships showing up as the Rorqual takes a while to kill. Does that qualify as shooting back yet?

"Well, enjoy it was just a suggestion to put in on par with those that run all the PVE sites. There is no reason the best mining ship should be stuck when the best PVE ships can get out easily as well."
A tackled carrier can run as easily as a sieged rorqual. The difference is the carrier can't tank 50000DPS and become invulnerable on command for 5+ minutes.

Personally, I think the Rorqual will be far too safe in a cynojammed system if you set the core to 1 minute. By the time anything large enough to kill the Rorqual gets there, the Rorq will have sieged down and cynoed out.

I was doing some intial testing with the changes and have two questions:

1) the ore bay was only 250,000? I thought it was moving to 300,000.

2) The iniability to dock at a Large Indy is a bit of an issue. This is making things really difficult for the sake of being a pita. Initially there are ways around it but as existing things are removed from the game, this is really unbalanced.. This isn't about combat logistics, this is about the amount of ore moving around. 250,000 or 300,000 of compressed ore being moved for building things in null will be extremely difficult to accomplish as long as docking isn't allowed in a large.

I understand the medium (to some extent) though they shouldn't allow freighters either then in my view. However Larges are going to be the more common deployment even in large alliances and not being able to put your major backbone of ore generation into them is a huge drawback.

Now, if it was something like 'can dock for now, but when the patch of you can put things in from the outside' comes along that will change things somewhat but initially it's very drudgery inducing for the sake of drudgery, not the sake of game play.

So Basically not only was dropping on miners hard before. But now they have a 5-7.5 Minute invuln period where any aggressors are forced to disengage if they don't have serious support.... How is the module burning out any loss at all, when you can repair them for free at stations?

Why couldn't it be that this module did the mining boosts instead? so instead you had:

-Massively increased mining yield for fleet
-Fleet immobilized for extended periods
-Slightly increased shield resistances and bonuses to local reps on those ships


All the P.A.N.I.C module is going to do, is make miners un-killable in an already hard to hunt environment.


That being said, i like the idea of the rorq taking part in operations and actually getting to mine on a proper level i think that its a very positive change especially given the risk involved. But i reserve my opinion on the panic module.....

I think that the module is going to cause some horrible horrible problems for everyone.[/quote]

They wont be unkillable. Just wait 5-7min and then kill them. PANIC mod burns out with one use like the capital hull energizer

The theoretical yield was accurate assuming mining rigs were stacking penalized.

This would give a total Rig multiplier of 1.374048938. All things in EvE being multiplicative, you multiply the stat by the effect of one rig. Then you multiply the new total by the effect of the next module, reduced by stacking penalties, and so on.

This results in a yield of ~27626.67 per cycle with 5 drones, which works out to 18,417.78 per min.

I'm leaving the tilde in there because there's other funky stuff going on with how it's calculated on the current sisi build and I can't get my sheet to add up at certain points. The final yield in practice does mach my sheet when sieged, but with the core off there's about a 10% discrepancy - which is really odd, as that number is just multiplied by the core effect.

Since the rigs are not incurring stacking penalties, It's Yied*1.15*1.15*1.1 which gives us a 1.45475 multiplier from the combined rigs.

With my test character (t1 core, ship skill to 4, drone spec 3), this means a theoretical yield of 6,577.74 m3 per drone per cycle, which matches the 411 spod that appeared in my ore bay from a single drone. Setting all skills to 5, shows 29,226.67 per cycle of 5 drones, or 19,484.44 m3 per minute. If I get the sheet sorted (or give up trying) I'll post it in the thread.

What does get stacking penalized, is the drone speed bonus of the core with Drone Nav Computers.

If your area is so insecure that going into siege mode is not really an option, you can do wonderful things fitting a Higgs Anchor rig and boosting while aligned.

Rorqual can lock 7targets and has long range remote shield rep bonuses. You can pre-lock all your 5 excavators and rep those under fire until they return. You can still have a rock targeted and lock up a rat while you recall excavators. This solves the Rat problem. For those rare capital rats, we will all likely loose an excavator or two. Pretty much cost of doing business.

While I understand your plight, the Rorqual was designed by ORE whose ship technology is based on Gallente designs. Thus it uses oxygen isotopes. Just because you want to use it as a poor man's jump freighter doesn't constitute changing it to a one size fits all isotope user.

Fair enough. It was simply the reason I hear most when someone complains about having to import oxygen isotopes because it isn't found in the space they live. While dangerous I would try wormholes with an Endurance or skiff (if your feeling lucky).