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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#181 - 2012-01-17 22:57:20 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Zarcan wrote:

But I never got the 95mil.



Zarcan wrote:
Hey guys.

Considering that that ship was my largest asset, I'm pretty infuriated. I don't know if this was some bug, scam, or what. Would CCP listen to a petition?

What do I do from here?


Zarcan wrote:

Well then, My 4 year old character shouldn't exist, eh?

I'm not gonna accept that, sorry. CCP is gonna have to get back to me on this one.


I'm not trying to rag on you or anything but.... How did something worth 95 million ISK to you, end up being your largest asset after four years?
Ayuren Aakiwa
Coven.
#182 - 2012-01-18 02:52:12 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
Zarcan wrote:

But I never got the 95mil.



Zarcan wrote:
Hey guys.

Considering that that ship was my largest asset, I'm pretty infuriated. I don't know if this was some bug, scam, or what. Would CCP listen to a petition?

What do I do from here?


Zarcan wrote:

Well then, My 4 year old character shouldn't exist, eh?

I'm not gonna accept that, sorry. CCP is gonna have to get back to me on this one.


I'm not trying to rag on you or anything but.... How did something worth 95 million ISK to you, end up being your largest asset after four years?


This, this so hard.
Ai Shun
#183 - 2012-01-18 02:57:18 UTC
Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
Zarcan wrote:

But I never got the 95mil.



Zarcan wrote:
Hey guys.

Considering that that ship was my largest asset, I'm pretty infuriated. I don't know if this was some bug, scam, or what. Would CCP listen to a petition?

What do I do from here?


Zarcan wrote:

Well then, My 4 year old character shouldn't exist, eh?

I'm not gonna accept that, sorry. CCP is gonna have to get back to me on this one.


I'm not trying to rag on you or anything but.... How did something worth 95 million ISK to you, end up being your largest asset after four years?


This, this so hard.


That's what she said?
Dannes Mistry
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#184 - 2012-01-18 04:03:22 UTC
After reading through a lot of this (I did get slighty bored with it towards the end) I only got one thing to really say. Why should the game mechanics get changed just cos you got scammed? if you had bothered to look up on popular scams in eve, you would have noticed that this is near the damn top.
If you had used your common sense, and instead said to the guy who interested in buying, I just set up a contract, and then you can buy, you wouldnt be having this problem. it what contracts are there for. it takes barely more then a minute to set up a contract.
I have given money to people who have been scammed but these have mostly been people with two-three month or younger life. the fact that you have a 4 year old toon, and did it with a 95 mill domi, suggest that even if you havent played the total of those 4 years, you damn well been playing long enough to have known better.
Accept that scams are a great part of this game. Sure it frustrating. sure I have taken a hit on my main char, (to the tune of about 1.2 bill. messed up reading a contract. entirely my fault.) but the whine fest people are having on this atm, is going too far. you wanna feel safe, go and be a WOW noob.
are some of the game mechanics a bit messed up? well sure. it an 8 year old game. some of the mechanics frankly dont make sense, cos parts of it got changed or phased out. Do I wish sometimes these things got fixed? yeah sure. But at the end of the day, I play this game, cos I like it, and am willing to put up with current game mechanics and accept that some of it will change soon, and some of it probably wont be fixed for another 8 years.
If you cant deal with that then why the hell are you playing? if you play this game you accept it all. the fact that you can be PVPed, (even if you dont want to) anywhere, or scammed in jita, or just that some git just nicked your jetcan and killed you when you thought you could do him instead. The game mechanics do not need to be changed to the extent that a MINORITY think it does. if you want the mechanics to be more wow like, then go and join wow. if you want it to be more rift like, then go and play rift.
This is EVE ONLINE. If you cant hack playing it, then sod off. HTFU
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#185 - 2012-01-27 08:52:42 UTC
Now I was in need of some chat channels and I stumbled across this:

When I remove a chat window, which can be closed, let's call it foobar. Now I minimize foobar, and it gets stacked within the chat button. No new button in the Neocom. When I minimize foobar while being in one window with local and corp it gets grouped as a new info button. Please, this is not usable, it just feels awkward.

The info button blends in perfectly with other minimized windows like info windows of items and scanner. How can I tell those apart? For chats it was perfect to have the title of the window as a thin bar minimized at the bottom of the screen so I could see which chat window is active and get back to it.

We really could do with small captions, especially for chat channels, make the neocom wider.

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#186 - 2012-01-27 11:11:49 UTC
Miyamato wrote:

I've played a ton of MMO's in my lifetime but I have never once been around a community that actually says scamming is a legitimate mechanic of any kind. Let alone game mechanic.


Welcome to EVE! Scamming IS legitimate here and it should be. This is not Ponies Online, this game is for people who can use their brains (or at least wait some seconds to triple check their trades).

Zarcan wrote:

...., but indeed, I'm really astounded at how many people actively defend it. I understand its a part of the game, I understand CCP endorses it, I'll never understand why the players fight for it so adamantly.

From my perspective, it doesn't *have* to be this way, and we wouldn't be having this 8 page discussion if it were a black and white issue, as some people would have you believe.


Again someone who wants EVE to be dumbed down and made a safe and friendly place for everyone. I hear, some MMOs provide pure PVE servers with instant gratification. Why not play those instead?

I had some sympathy with the OP at first, but Marhaba confirmed that OP just made a stupid mistake and thus this is just another day in EVE.

On a side note, I have never been scammed in EVE during the last 8 years (maybe 4 years actual playing). I once set up a wrong contract (when they were still called "escrow") and lost a good amount of money. But I asked nicely and got my money back.

Not everyone in EVE is bad, but the ones who want to play bad should be allowed to do so!
flakeys
Doomheim
#187 - 2012-01-27 13:57:40 UTC
Zarcan wrote:
Brock Nelson wrote:
Exactly, and how do you expect lag to be fixed? It's been a problem ever since Eve first came out and it's been a problem for every multiplayer game that ever exist.


In the sense that a game's efficiency is limited by connection speed, sure. I don't really believe that to be an sort of excuse for not correcting insecure trading windows, I haven't encountered this drastic of a trade window exploit problem in any other MMO.

If I'm not mistaken, even SOE (who was notorious for a poor connection with their playerbase, if anyone else was along with the NGE), SWG had an alert window whenever the client modified the order, precisely to prevent this problem. I don't see why this hasn't been implemented, especially in a game that has been around as long as EVE has. They don't like getting petitions any more than we like getting scammed.


SOE also did a weeks reroll a lot of the times on SWG servers without any compensation what so ever wich made your week gaming be for jack **** too , changed the game overnight completely and didn't/doesn't give a **** about customers.Now could we please not compare SWG and EVE because it is giving me shivers allready.


Thanks

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#188 - 2012-01-27 14:21:31 UTC
Morganta wrote:

if you haven't been bankrupt by a scam or gank at least once, you haven't been playing EVE
They wont admit it, but everyone here has had it happen in some form or another at least once


Yup.... Lost almost everything I had at a Gate Camp once. It was own darn fault, I was being stupid and knew better. Impatience kills a lot more Characters than anything else does in this game. Fast forward to this weekend, full load of Amarr Fuel Blocks in my Impel and I sat and waited 6 hours at a gate safe at a border HS/LS gate for a camp to get bored before proceeding. Lesson learned. Two things you need to be successful in this game are patience and preserverance. Patience to wait for the right moment to act. Preserverance to pick up the pieces and move on when it all comes crashing down.

I feel for you OP, but look at this as a defining moment in your EVE career. Are you going to rage quit or are you going to take a deep breath and not succumb to frustration and leave the game. My Sig says it all IMO. This pain will be useful to you in the future.

If not then EVE is not for you.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
Lamperouge Kasenumi
Doomheim
#189 - 2012-01-27 17:09:55 UTC
Lol some answers are so funny,

Here's the real answer to the question: Is scamming in Eve ok? It depends!

Crazy isn't it, there's some condition, check this out!

Scamming is only ok when it's done within the expected behavior of the game.
If a bug allow you to scam people, it's an exploit and should not be tolerated by CCP.

From what I understand of the OP, this is an exploit and should not be tolerated.

And big lol at the "you haven't been bankrupt by a scam or gank at least once, you haven't been playing EVE" crowd, now you are just being silly.
Bait James
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#190 - 2012-01-27 19:15:50 UTC
Zarcan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#191 - 2012-01-27 19:32:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarcan
Holy crap, 10 pages of people continuously ranting at me. Why is this thread still alive?

I don't have the time or patience to respond to all of these posts, the bottom line is that the trade window is broken and needs to be addressed. It's a pathetic cop out that CCP told me to "avoid the trade window" because if it's faulty mechanics.

If something doesn't work right in your game, fix it. Especially when it's as black and white as the trade window not having a 2nd stage confirmation window before the transaction goes through.


JC Anderson wrote:
Zarcan wrote:

But I never got the 95mil.



Zarcan wrote:
Hey guys.

Considering that that ship was my largest asset, I'm pretty infuriated. I don't know if this was some bug, scam, or what. Would CCP listen to a petition?

What do I do from here?


Zarcan wrote:

Well then, My 4 year old character shouldn't exist, eh?

I'm not gonna accept that, sorry. CCP is gonna have to get back to me on this one.


I'm not trying to rag on you or anything but.... How did something worth 95 million ISK to you, end up being your largest asset after four years?


I've only been active for maybe a year and a half out of those four years. 13.7mil sp. College and work make it tough to manage a game like this sometimes.
Ai Shun
#192 - 2012-01-27 19:38:22 UTC
Zarcan wrote:
I don't have the time or patience to respond to all of these posts, the bottom line is that the trade window is broken and needs to be addressed.


ORLY? There are other things that need fixing more. Like checking the trade before hitting accept.
Bait James
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#193 - 2012-01-27 19:45:21 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Zarcan wrote:
I don't have the time or patience to respond to all of these posts, the bottom line is that the trade window is broken and needs to be addressed.


ORLY? There are other things that need fixing more. Like checking the trade before hitting accept.



He wouldn't have been able to do anything no matter how long he checked. It is an exploit as outlined here
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=517991&page=1
It was supposed to have been fixed 5 years ago
Velicitia
XS Tech
#194 - 2012-01-27 20:32:21 UTC
Nephilius wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…except that scamming is explicitly and purposefully allowed by the game designers. Its existence has nothing to do with apathy.


I'm calling Shenanigans on that comment. The contracts system has been revamped more than a couple of times to help prevent scamming, at least from being stupidly easy. I remember the days where someone could name a Raven "Caldari Navy Raven" and scam some poor sucker who saw that. These days, you have to get pretty creative to pull off a decent scam, or just get a victim that's asleep at the wheel.



1. create contract for 750m isk for 1 unit of carbon
2. link in jita chat as "Charon"
3. ???
4. Profit.


wals always my favourite. Thankfully I was too spacepoor to ever fall for that one.
came close to getting nailed on a PLEX for 350m (and a PLEX) contract once or twice though.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Marhaba
Dissolution Syndicate
#195 - 2012-01-29 22:48:40 UTC
Bait James wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Zarcan wrote:
I don't have the time or patience to respond to all of these posts, the bottom line is that the trade window is broken and needs to be addressed.


ORLY? There are other things that need fixing more. Like checking the trade before hitting accept.



He wouldn't have been able to do anything no matter how long he checked. It is an exploit as outlined here
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=517991&page=1
It was supposed to have been fixed 5 years ago


But that's NOT the scam that I used. I never hit accept while 95m was shown. I changed the amount before I hit accept. In your link, the amount is changed after. So, please don't slander me and accuse me of exploiting.

If he had waited for me to hit accept first, there would have been no problem. Then again, i would have never hit accept with 95m in the window, so he'd be waiting a long time.
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#196 - 2012-01-29 22:56:42 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
Zarcan wrote:

But I never got the 95mil.



Zarcan wrote:
Hey guys.

Considering that that ship was my largest asset, I'm pretty infuriated. I don't know if this was some bug, scam, or what. Would CCP listen to a petition?

What do I do from here?


Zarcan wrote:

Well then, My 4 year old character shouldn't exist, eh?

I'm not gonna accept that, sorry. CCP is gonna have to get back to me on this one.


I'm not trying to rag on you or anything but.... How did something worth 95 million ISK to you, end up being your largest asset after four years?


Maybe he wasn't playing that much or took a long hiatus.

I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
Brock Nelson
#197 - 2012-01-29 23:36:44 UTC
Zarcan wrote:
Holy crap, 10 pages of people continuously ranting at me. Why is this thread still alive?


If you didn't want to get this kind of attention then don't create ANY thread ok?

You can simply request to have the thread locked by clicking on the little flag icon

Signature removed, CCP Phantom
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#198 - 2012-01-30 00:15:34 UTC
You got scammed.

Trade window is not safe, and while this particular scam might be different if it is in fact exploiting lag, I wouldn't hold your breath.

You could've prevented this by using the contract system.

It's not just about the "risk vs. reward", it's also about "carelessness and laziness both have a price in eve".

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde
Duvida
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#199 - 2012-01-30 00:35:04 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:
You got scammed.

Trade window is not safe, and while this particular scam might be different if it is in fact exploiting lag, I wouldn't hold your breath.

You could've prevented this by using the contract system.

It's not just about the "risk vs. reward", it's also about "carelessness and laziness both have a price in eve".


That's the deal, it's a broken game mechanic. You really can't use a feature of the game because of it. It'd be like someone discovering a way to swipe inventory from others' hangers. It's a broken part of the game being exploited.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#200 - 2012-01-30 01:07:09 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Zarcan wrote:
Seatox wrote:
The trade window is terrible, and vulnerable to sleight of hand - and you shouldn't use it for commerce.

What probably happened was they put in 95 million, then zeroed it *and then hit accept*, and you didn't notice them zeroing the value before you hit accept.

Use the contract system instead.


Nope, I'm aware of that tactic. The 95mil was there.

Feligast wrote:
and it's unlikely your petition would result in anything. Chalk it up as an eve lesson and get back at it.


Well this is unacceptable. That ship is worth 1/3 of my savings in the game, and I lost it due to poor game mechanics. I shouldn't be liable for unsatisfactory trade window code.


if you haven't been bankrupt by a scam or gank at least once, you haven't been playing EVE
They wont admit it, but everyone here has had it happen in some form or another at least once


speak for yourself. never scammed.