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Scammed, and not sure how.

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Doc Severide
Doomheim
#161 - 2012-01-16 00:06:17 UTC
Mara Tessidar wrote:
ISD Alassien wrote:
Can we also stay on topic and refrain from flaming one another? Big smile


Is this a serious request?

No kidding, like that's any help....
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#162 - 2012-01-16 00:25:07 UTC
You are bad at this game and should probably biomass all your characters

Also lie down under a bus IRL please, I object vehemently to you wasting oxygen by your continual existence
M5 Tuttle
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#163 - 2012-01-16 03:00:02 UTC
Disdaine wrote:
+1 eve community.

Derp your fit sucks.

Derp hi-sec player.

Derp you got scammed by someone abusing a broken trade mechanic. I will not acknowledge that this game lacks a secure player to player trade mechanic like every other mmo, but instead I will call you stupid for trying to use it.



Here's my 2 cents:

If he was scammed by exploiting lag or a bug, then it is not his fault and he should be compensated. CCP is to blame, not the scammer (unless CCP has some sort of policy against exploiting bugs like most MMO's do).

If he was not scammed using some sort of exploit, then he's a dumbass, happens to everyone, get over it, etc.
Belidos Goveko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#164 - 2012-01-16 08:36:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Belidos Goveko
Montevius Williams wrote:
Andski wrote:
Montevius Williams wrote:
So a better statement would be to say that risk is situational, dumbass idiot. Roll


Because that's the only situation where wasted time is possible, right?

With margin trading scams, you have the risk that someone with a stockpile of whatever item you're working with will dump into your buy order. With public contract scams, you risk a ton of ISK in fees. Trade window scams are a "grey area" and exploiting lag comes with the risk of a ban, if the GM is inclined to investigate and concludes that taking advantage of lag (which isn't a real game mechanic) was your intent.

Now, when you complain about scamming being risk-free, you're being selective of what you consider a "risk," but of course, ISK or time wasted isn't a risk, right?



I never said that scamming should be risk free - please link to where I said that.

And no, time wasting is not a risk...YOU are the one making a blanket statement on this. Not me. Hell, if you want to say its relative to the person doing it, fine. But in and of itself, time wasting is not a risk.

Margin Trading - Risking Isk
Public Contracts -Risking Isk

These are fine becasue you are risking isk, but we are not talking about that, we're talking about wasting time and if time is a risk or not.


Wrong, wasting time is a risk, if you spend 1hr trying to scam someone and it fails, that is one hour you could have been earning isk by other means and thus you are risking garunteed isk for possible higher isk by choosing the path you chose versus the path you could have chosen.
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#165 - 2012-01-16 08:53:37 UTC
opportunity cost

welp, here we go!
ariana ailith
Dukalin
#166 - 2012-01-16 09:07:15 UTC
Zarcan wrote:
I'm just really surprised that you all feel that way.

I guess this is another issue however, the trade window is the culprit.

If the right DEV happens to read this, the petition is filed, please get back to me.


You, sir, need to quit eve and start WoW.
It's been said multiple times. Scamming is part of EVE.
You got ripped off. Move on. Live with it!

This thread is even more useless than all the whining about how bad EVE has become without taking any action.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#167 - 2012-01-16 09:21:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
While the OP practically scammed himself by using a trade window I do like the comments of the guys that say that every action in EVE has an equal reaction but scamming doesn't.

Perhaps some thought should be put into making scamming and scammer more visible not unlike an honor system or an ebay rating. I might not make 1 day alts with scamming in mind detectable but it would make serious traders more known and you'd at least know who was trustworthy(ish).

How he fit his domi and where he likes to play his game has nothing to do with the current discussion.

as a final note I'd just want to ad that you'd only use trade windows among friends or people you trust for quick interaction, I think that was its primary use (like giving ammo and ships before shipping out somewhere). when you deal with strangers you use contract systems because people are bad.

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Mnengli Noiliffe
Doomheim
#168 - 2012-01-16 10:02:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe
in certain other game i played you can't do any changes to trade window at all, save from adding more stuff or cancelling and starting a new one, and that is a smart design decision in my opinion.
Ursula LeGuinn
Perkone
Caldari State
#169 - 2012-01-16 10:50:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn
Ciar Meara wrote:
Perhaps some thought should be put into making scamming and scammer more visible not unlike an honor system or an ebay rating. I might not make 1 day alts with scamming in mind detectable but it would make serious traders more known and you'd at least know who was trustworthy(ish).


Such a system would be far too easy to abuse.

A lot (really a lot) of suggestions I see for how to "fix" certain things that are "broken" in EVE have the potential to break even more things if implemented. Unforeseen consequences, et cetera.

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Nadine Le'Slut
The-Four-HorseMen
#170 - 2012-01-16 12:23:20 UTC
never ever use tradewindows, not even between your alts

quite a memorable experience, donating a 5b vindi to a half year l4 greenie.
by the time i Alt-Tabbed, i made his day
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#171 - 2012-01-16 13:25:44 UTC
Hijeri wrote:
Zarcan wrote:
Mekki Muvila wrote:
Your Domi fit sucks anyway


The Guristas disagree.


You think being able to kill rats enables you to judge whether a fit is good or not? That's freaking hilarious coming from someone like you, who's played this game for years. I can hop into an armor drake and do L4's. Just saying. I see ratters rat with the most stupid fits every day.

You'll do good staying in high sec for the rest of your life. Have fun with your mission running, basically the most boring thing you can do in this game along with mining. This is an MMO sandbox, and then you go and voluntarily grind your ass off doing the most mundane thing, as if you're playing World of Warcraft. Hilarious.

have any problems with fits not from categories "fleet OPs" or "battleclinik approved"? Cool

well. some day you will fit your ships with your ideas in mind.... just wait for some time, child.....

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Marhaba
Dissolution Syndicate
#172 - 2012-01-16 17:50:46 UTC
So what did the GMs say? Let me take a wild guess: "Our logs show nothing."

Plenty of people have said they're petitioning me, and I've never had a GM say a word to me, because what I do is perfectly legal. In other news, I just got a Rattlesnake BPC for 0.35m. Haters gonna hate.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2012-01-16 18:01:14 UTC
Belidos Goveko wrote:
Montevius Williams wrote:
Andski wrote:
Montevius Williams wrote:
So a better statement would be to say that risk is situational, dumbass idiot. Roll


Because that's the only situation where wasted time is possible, right?

With margin trading scams, you have the risk that someone with a stockpile of whatever item you're working with will dump into your buy order. With public contract scams, you risk a ton of ISK in fees. Trade window scams are a "grey area" and exploiting lag comes with the risk of a ban, if the GM is inclined to investigate and concludes that taking advantage of lag (which isn't a real game mechanic) was your intent.

Now, when you complain about scamming being risk-free, you're being selective of what you consider a "risk," but of course, ISK or time wasted isn't a risk, right?



I never said that scamming should be risk free - please link to where I said that.

And no, time wasting is not a risk...YOU are the one making a blanket statement on this. Not me. Hell, if you want to say its relative to the person doing it, fine. But in and of itself, time wasting is not a risk.

Margin Trading - Risking Isk
Public Contracts -Risking Isk

These are fine becasue you are risking isk, but we are not talking about that, we're talking about wasting time and if time is a risk or not.


Wrong, wasting time is a risk, if you spend 1hr trying to scam someone and it fails, that is one hour you could have been earning isk by other means and thus you are risking garunteed isk for possible higher isk by choosing the path you chose versus the path you could have chosen.



So by placing a scam public contract and then going about your buisness (mining, missing running, pvping) you are wasting time? Seems to me you are doing both? Unless you're in station staring at the screen waiting for someone to bite...or unless you have a bot scamming local (but scammers dont do that Roll)

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Ai Shun
#174 - 2012-01-16 19:53:22 UTC
Ciar Meara wrote:
Perhaps some thought should be put into making scamming and scammer more visible not unlike an honor system or an ebay rating. I might not make 1 day alts with scamming in mind detectable but it would make serious traders more known and you'd at least know who was trustworthy(ish).


Hasn't this thread just done so? The OP lists the name of the scammer and he gloats a little about it in the thread. I know that I have him flagged now so I know he will try this type of trick.

Seems to be working for me?
shannon johanson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#175 - 2012-01-16 21:29:57 UTC
Zarcan wrote:
Hey guys.

So, I've been running a rigged mission domi for some time now. After a good amount of missions and trading, I've got just enough so, if I sell my rigged domi at a little below real value with rigs, I'd be able to outfit a Navy Domi.

So, I go to Jita and offer a sale of my domi for 95mil, send out the message a few times. The rigs were 1x Sentry Drone Damage Aug, 1x Large Nanobot, 1x Large Aux Nano Pump

I get a trade offer, the window pops up. I throw my Domi in to see if that's what he's inquiring about, and I see 95mil in green show up, along with his accept checkmark. I accept as well, and it goes through.

But I never got the 95mil.

Character is Marhaba. He proceeds to say in Jita chat "Thanks for the free domi ;)."

Considering that that ship was my largest asset, I'm pretty infuriated. I don't know if this was some bug, scam, or what. Would CCP listen to a petition?

What do I do from here?



"Sorry m8, but I'm afraid CCP will (after they get off the floor laughing their arses off) will tell you, we're sorry but you were suckered.
I do it all the time, just be thankful I didn't do it to you. And as far as I know, there's no warning window popping up letting you know I modified the trade. any modifications would have removed your green checkmark, so you didn't catch the mofication. lol, you sure you aren't playing "WOW"? PLol
Implying Implications
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#176 - 2012-01-16 21:35:20 UTC
Biomass yourself OP.
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#177 - 2012-01-17 00:18:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Nephilius
Tippia wrote:
…except that scamming is explicitly and purposefully allowed by the game designers. Its existence has nothing to do with apathy.


I'm calling Shenanigans on that comment. The contracts system has been revamped more than a couple of times to help prevent scamming, at least from being stupidly easy. I remember the days where someone could name a Raven "Caldari Navy Raven" and scam some poor sucker who saw that. These days, you have to get pretty creative to pull off a decent scam, or just get a victim that's asleep at the wheel.
"If."
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#178 - 2012-01-17 00:22:09 UTC
i just scammed some fool in rens just to spite OP
Aio Hekki
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#179 - 2012-01-17 19:00:23 UTC
Hey OP, dont listen to those evil scammers) I not consider them as humans ever, there is many good peoples in eve just like in real life)) Fly safe
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#180 - 2012-01-17 22:53:15 UTC
Aio Hekki wrote:
Hey OP, dont listen to those evil scammers) I not consider them as humans ever, there is many good peoples in eve just like in real life)) Fly safe

This^

(As long as it wasn't sarcastic or trolling)
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