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We want to help ccp bring more players into eve!

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#301 - 2016-09-13 01:53:26 UTC
New people to the game....

I think f2p is a start. Eve is a strange beast. And, sometimes it takes time to get interested. If you like MMO's with depth, Eve is worth checking out. If you like MMO's where community matters, Eve is worth checking out. If you like PvP, Eve is worth checking out.

The biggest thing we can do to attract more players is continue providing a welcoming community. Our community will always be at war, our community will always odds, and once you join one community you will have instant enemies. But as long as we embrace our new players within the community they join, all should be good.


Note to new players: Join one of the many many player run corporations within Eve. Eve can be played solo, but it's so much better when played with a like minded group.
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#302 - 2016-09-13 04:11:52 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Wow, everything in this post is just wrong.
Along with CCP's narrow-minded vision of HTFU, Wrecking Machine, Killing Is Just A Means, Keep Clicking hubris pertaining to the game, the type of mindset portrayed here is definitely a contributing factor to why Eve has an exponential decline of player numbers over the past few years.

DMC

It depends on what you want out of the game.

If you want a universe where everything in sight is a weapon to be built, stolen, and shot at someone, it's spot on, and the core design philosophy of the game. This is what makes EVE that seriously special snowflake in the world of MMOs.

And that's why most people don't like it once they get introduced to that part of it. The game isn't really for "most people." Trying to make the game for "most people" is to dumb it way down.

What will get people invested in the game is if they help each other do stuff and make friends.
What will make people not want to touch the game is to treat them like whales to harpoon. Trying to sell people game advantages for real money will limit the game's ability to keep players, and really limits the number of players who will play seriously. Once they look over the price tag of all the alts they need to do whatever (long-term planning is a thing in this game!).... yeah, bye.

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Rias Bane
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#303 - 2016-09-13 13:02:11 UTC
1, Separate NPC corps and Noob corps, when a player joins the game (alt's included I suppose) they should be placed in to a Noob corp like the current NPC corps, but after they have passed a certain age they should default move to of the "Non-Noob" NPC corps in an effort to keep them around people of a similar mindset and experience base, meaning they are all asking the same questions and ideally getting the same answers.

2. New players are in the Help Channel by default, similar to the incursion channels that pop up automatically.
2.1 Better policing of the Help Channels there's more trolls in there than a fairy story.
2.2 Force experienced members to register to enter the channel and have them held to account for their actions there in by having them agree to certain codes of conduct within the channel

3. Community Champions/Mentors what ever you may wish to call them in the aforementioned NPC Noob Corps, volunteers supporting newer players and following a constitution in the process of doing so, possibly insentivise this with subsidised subscriptions or some such, as a business model one person paying 50% of their subs would only have to support enough newbies that one subscribes to have upped the income for the organisation.

4. This will not go down well, Forced Green Safety in Newbies systems, or the creation 1.1 security status systems where hostile actions are barred in much the same way as Bombs cannot be used in empire space, the exception being the war dec mechanic which would remain as it is, given that a new player joining a corporation should be under their protection. Limit mission levels and belts and also cosmic sygnature spawns in the area so that it is not profitable to anyone with a month or more of playing time so that they don't become havens for the risk averse.

Many people will site that Ganking is a mechanic which isn't affecting subscription levels but that is Naive and not true, I know of numerous people who either stopped playing or opted not to subscribe because of having been ganked, venture out of 1.1 space and you are at risk once again.

The issue for me isn't that eve is hard, it's the lack of support, when I joined Eve I joined a corp made up of people I knew in Real Life and as a result of which I was supported by my friends and also people I did not know, they would take me along on missions or come help me when I had trouble myself, they explained mechanics and fittings, gave skill recommendations and listened to me drone on as I learned the game.

I have mentored pilots through Alts for years as Rias Was a combat pilot, there are a number of players who continued to subscribe because of the help I gave them, I didn't do it for reward or a pat on the back I did it because nobody else was helping them, I have taken my main and an Alt in to Brave to continue to do so as principally my sole function in game at this time.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
Edmund Burke has the measure of the community right there.
oiukhp Muvila
Doomheim
#304 - 2016-09-13 13:38:38 UTC
Rias Bane wrote:
...Many people will site that Ganking is a mechanic which isn't affecting subscription levels but that is Naive and not true, I know of numerous people who either stopped playing or opted not to subscribe because of having been ganked, venture out of 1.1 space and you are at risk once again...
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I also know some players who won't play due to how bad ganking has got. It is far worse than it was 8 yrs ago.



Other reasons I know people won't play:

-They think they have to somehow catch up to current players to be competitive.
-The need for an alt account to scout yourself or move jump capable ships when you are not in a Corp or the members are not online.
-The extensive learning curve needed and the little time they actually have to put toward a game.
-The apparent hate that some Pvp players for any who don't follow their play style or don't have the time to put forward to truly learn.
-The what many would call grief play being allowed and even encouraged by the game designers.
-The general **** attitude of many who play this game and their distain for anyone who complains.

I don't agree with all of those but that is a lot of what I have heard from people I know.


Voxinian
#305 - 2016-09-13 13:40:33 UTC
As long as scamming noobs is a legit gameplay mechanic you won't see a big increase of new 'paying' players.

As long as high sec alt ganking (baiting mission noobs etc.) is a legit gameplay mechanic you won't see a big increase of new 'paying' players.

As long as self entitled vets verbally scare of new players on the forum and in the game you won't see a big increase of new 'paying' players.

As long as the sole focus in this game is 'corporations' and not solo pvp you won't see a big increase of new 'paying' players. Solo pvp encounters that usually are really a solo player against an other 'solo' player with a bunch of active alts in the system.

Alts offsets the balance in the game and gives a huge advantage over solo players... specially the new players.

This is EVE, it's simply not for everyone. To play EVE you need to have a thick skin, be paranoid and wary , have loads of time to play and accept all the 'unfairness' the game offers.

Of course there are lots of things to prevent a rough ride for new players, but no doubt the majority will say that it would ruin EVE, it would not be EVE anymore without the gameplay of ganking and scamming noobs. The thing CCP could do is making new players even more aware of those mechanics when they start in EVE and specially after they have left the 'safe' newbie system.

MB Mabata
State War Academy
Caldari State
#306 - 2016-09-13 15:54:38 UTC
I was just about to post this a new topic until I saw this topic.

This is a long post I know but this is a three week old clone wanting to know about euthanasia. Ill explain, this topic is asking how to help CCP bring more players to eve. This is a long winded question on how to keep newbros playing eve. Below is my take on why Im sitting here right now asking why would I want to continue playing eve. Please read on:

I must be really slow on the uptake, I just join eve 3 weeks ago and yet it has been around for years. How did I miss that. Nevertheless I am here and it is right up my street.

However, after reading so much about the popularity of eve I was kind of surprised to see that so little peole are playing it. Ok this is my input after a few weeks of playing. As I stand right now I am completely at a loss to a lot that this game has to offer but a steep learning curve is part of the appeal to me.

Again, however, this means a lot of the time taking your eye of the ball to do a bit of reseach, sometimes a lot of research. I am not going to post details but I see something while playing that I dont understand, so go look it up, next thing your dead, well podded. Ok a tuff lesson but noted and heeded. So I take a break from eve to do further studies in how to be safe, read, digest then implement. Good, one step forward.

On a side note. Just as a reminder to those vetrans out there isk is easy to make when you have an established character, right now im doing ok but the losses are hard to swallow and make up. And this is nothing to do with dont fly what you cant afford. This is Ive trained to fly X, I have the isk to get another one but if I get popped again then what.

Welcome to my world, and being popped again. But I have the subscription, training and isk to carry on but I do feel its one step forward and ten steps back. Yes lots of isk can buy anything but as a newbro I dont have billions. So the only other thing is time, time to train, so I pay for a subscription not to play but just train, I think not. But im sitting right now in my pod, 34 jumps from where I was and thinking not again. Now the twice Ive been podded, I have been in so called Hi-sec, but over the past week, I ventured in .5 and .4 space and I was left alone made enough money to upgrade my ship and try something a bit different. Moved back into hi-sec .7 and above and podded again.

The ugly problem as far as Im concerned is veteran players targeting newbros, why cos they are cowards. But hey thats the game, then I think wait a minute, Ive read a lot of stuff online and in the forums and I kinda get the feeling that there are some people playing eve like it belongs to them, megalomaniacs as far as Im concerned have no place in a game like eve. As a three week old player stands NO CHANCE no matter what I do against 4 players with a combined 16 years of experience. Yes ok I have Kill Rights, seriously what the hell can I do about that, oh and you have a month to do it. I even think that CCP are shooting themselves in the foot here.

So here I am wondering why there are so few people playing eve, CCP are even sort of going free to play, again something that a lot of people dont want.

To sum up, I think CCP need to get the numbers up, so free to play is the way to go. I will probably myself come back to eve once this has been implemented. But I will lose some of my skills as an alpha. But to stay right now and plough money into a game that has everything stacked against the newbros. Not for me. This is a shame because I really like eve and it is a tough game but when your targeted by said megalomaniacs, this decision is not for the faint of heart.

One thing that would help me decide to stay on even is if newbros had a grace period from been targeted from vetran players and if you are killed when only a few weeks old then you kill rights last at least until you can attempt to do something about it. But I know this will never happen and I realise the use of a young Alt with bought skill injectors. Stack upon stack upon stacked against new players. So everyone including CCP want me to sit in station and train, while paying for a subscription but dont dare venture out and dont even try and make any isk, just buy plex to plough into the game to pay for veteran players. Ive spent about $80 on eve and Im sitting in my home station once again. The last time it took me 3 days to venture out again. Let us figure out how to fight on eve on an even playing field, once the grace period is over then its open season.

Right now I am open to suggestions, the open sandbox concept is the way it needs to be, I can acknowlege that, but the way some conduct themselves to pay for their subscription by picking and bullying newbros is definately not for me.

I would like to thank those few who have been extraordinarily helpful and generous in my short time on eve but for now anyway, I really dont know.

If you read this far then I thank you also.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#307 - 2016-09-13 16:41:35 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
This thread, especially the last couple pages, is the perfect example of what's wrong with the game. It's that people don't know what a game is.

look at all these posts talking about how unfriendly people are, about how the community chases people off etc. That's the same thinking CCP has displayed for the last 5 years. And it's wrong.

Just like no one wants to see a movie where everyone gets along, a game that tries to ease people in and protect them when they get in is doomed to fail.. Like movies, Games are about conflict and then being able to take pride and enjoyment out of defeating those conflicts.

The most conflicting thing in EVE is people. When EVE had fewer restrictions on the folks who screw with people, the game grew, and that was no coincidence.

CCP has killed a lot of conflict in the game. They've made it easier for people to get comfortable. They've come down hard on the people (you can call them ass-hats if you like) who made the game interesting to play, because you weren't just playing against npcs, you were avoiding ass-hats while playing against people. it made getting the loot MEAN SOMETHING, now it's just handed to you, just like in real life.

A game is entertainment, we are all here to be entertained. You don't entertain people by being nice to them, you entertain them by kicking their butts and generating emotion, in this case the emotion of "ouch, now Im gonna kick your butt back" Just like well meaning parents who shield their kids from conflict as they grow up (then wonder why those kids have zero real world coping skills as adults and thus never leave home), CCP and too many well meaning folks have tired to wrap new players in wool.

It doesn't work, if you want to help a new player, don't coddle him, don't protect him, kick his ass. You won't just be having fun, you will be helping him stay in the game and helping keep EVE alive.
Wow, everything in this post is just wrong.
Along with CCP's narrow-minded vision of HTFU, Wrecking Machine, Killing Is Just A Means, Keep Clicking hubris pertaining to the game, the type of mindset portrayed here is definitely a contributing factor to why Eve has an exponential decline of player numbers over the past few years.

DMC


Then please explain how EVE grew all those years BEFORE in had safeites and pop ups and when there were basically more ways to "grief" people.

I know that you think EVE should be some kind of happy happy sunshine experience, But I think that's wrong, I think that EVE is and should be a game for adults, with adult sensibilities and the ability to keep a game in context. Most of us can take it (evidenced by the fact that we did when the game was harsher).

CCP's journey to a kinder/gentler game is the thing that has and is hurting it. I don't need CCP to protect me from other people in this game, I'm grown I can take care of myself, and most people could too.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM Defensive Initiative
#308 - 2016-09-13 17:30:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
I think people left because of Jenn posting.
Evidence? Started posting on forums at 2010, and the stability in growth stopped. I believe it corelates with Jenn activity in GD (80%).
Since 2010 we cant break the charm. I think Jenn should be banned from forums. That is our only hope.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#309 - 2016-09-13 17:48:52 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:


if you want people to bring in more new players, use a classic approach.


And here I thought you were going to suggest spamming all the inboxes of the world. That is the classic way to advertise it seems ;P

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#310 - 2016-09-13 18:05:44 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
I think people left because of Jenn posting.
Evidence? Started posting on forums at 2010, and the stability in growth stopped. I believe it corelates with Jenn activity in GD (80%).
Since 2010 we cant break the charm. I think Jenn should be banned from forums. That is our only hope.



You know you've had an effect on ignorant people when they stop having anything to say and start looking up your posting history. I'm sorry that your feelings were hurt, but I'm simply speaking the truth as it presents itself.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM Defensive Initiative
#311 - 2016-09-13 18:19:00 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#312 - 2016-09-13 18:22:15 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
I think people left because of Jenn posting.
Evidence? Started posting on forums at 2010, and the stability in growth stopped. I believe it corelates with Jenn activity in GD (80%).
Since 2010 we cant break the charm. I think Jenn should be banned from forums. That is our only hope.

TIL numbers began to decline in 2010.

How dumb do you have to be to imply something like that.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM Defensive Initiative
#313 - 2016-09-13 18:27:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
How dumb you have to be to not see the irony?

As it stands, both I and Jenn are just shiptoasting, and its very similar. You can as well blame planetary conjunction for players not playing the game.
Absolute Intoleranto
Doomheim
#314 - 2016-09-13 18:45:36 UTC
I have created more than four text documents about that topic.
Now I am currently failing at tying all the points together.What?
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM Defensive Initiative
#315 - 2016-09-13 18:53:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Everyone can blame now on everything he dont approves, and all of them will have as much credibility as a 5 year old with crayons.
Its basicallyt a "CCP, I told ya, you there, I told ya" thing.

Its more than you can handle, the reason, so in effect the solution.
Absolute Intoleranto
Doomheim
#316 - 2016-09-13 18:53:51 UTC
I have created more than four text documents about that topic.
Now I am currently failing at tying all the points together.What?
MB Mabata
State War Academy
Caldari State
#317 - 2016-09-13 19:11:53 UTC
WOW, reading through the post, maybe I should have done that first before posting earlier. Wrong post, wrong place heck wrong forum.

Can anyone point me to a HELPFUL place/forum/wiki that is first and foremost helpful and secondly not out of date.

In game I have a few contacts mark with excellent standing and so many more with terrible standings, having read not just this topic but the eve forums, I would say that the same percentage of out game help reflects my in game standings.

Over the years with all the multiplayer and mmos, eve is the most unhelpful game to date for me and my gaming goes back to the 70's. Hang you heads in shame evers, do i become an ever or a leaver. After my subscription runs out, I have been conviced to become a leaver.

Just remember eve has been a pay to win for 13 years, theres a reason why CCP is introducing free to play. As far as Im concerned there is quite a large proportion of evers that have contributed to this directly. I joined eve before they announced the alpha clone but even that doesnt appeal to me now.

Good luck and thanks to all who have been helpful.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM Defensive Initiative
#318 - 2016-09-13 19:31:58 UTC
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#319 - 2016-09-13 19:54:21 UTC
MB Mabata wrote:
WOW, reading through the post, maybe I should have done that first before posting earlier. Wrong post, wrong place heck wrong forum.

Can anyone point me to a HELPFUL place/forum/wiki that is first and foremost helpful and secondly not out of date.

In game I have a few contacts mark with excellent standing and so many more with terrible standings, having read not just this topic but the eve forums, I would say that the same percentage of out game help reflects my in game standings.

Over the years with all the multiplayer and mmos, eve is the most unhelpful game to date for me and my gaming goes back to the 70's. Hang you heads in shame evers, do i become an ever or a leaver. After my subscription runs out, I have been conviced to become a leaver.

Just remember eve has been a pay to win for 13 years, theres a reason why CCP is introducing free to play. As far as Im concerned there is quite a large proportion of evers that have contributed to this directly. I joined eve before they announced the alpha clone but even that doesnt appeal to me now.

Good luck and thanks to all who have been helpful.


Sounds like EVE just isn't your thing.

There is so much info just a Google away it's not even funny, in fact there is TOO MUCH help and information, not too little. unlike when many of us started there are whole player alliances built for the sole purpose of helping new people, you should stop complain and start talking to them if you need help.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#320 - 2016-09-13 20:21:04 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
https://totaleve.com/

And you tube.
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