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So when new Clone Grades? Oooops I mean States.

You can always monetize the skill capacity they are able to hold and use. Remember, greed is good.

Who gives a **** what they do to the plebs, seriously as long as the sub is the last word in access to content they can do what they like.

been asking for something like this for a long time and glad for the alphas focused training and limits to what they can train. Gives the uninitiated the opportunity to come into the game and do more than the 14d trial -hardly an time at all to really see what is possible in EVE. Giving newbies the core skills to do some T1 frig, dessie, and cruiser action can give them the chance to dive into the game and seeing so much more available, the chance to sub to omega or not.

I'm of mixed feelings about

Q: Are there restrictions on simultaneous log on for Alpha Clones?

A: We have not decided whether the simultaneous log on restrictions from the current trial system will apply to Alpha Clones. The decision will partly depend on your feedback, as well as our technical investigations over the coming months.

-to have omega players creating alphas for quick attack fleets that no one can id will be a problem. 600 players in an alliance create 600 alphas all in cruisers even with skill limits is still 600 untraceable players back to the alliance. These 600 alphas who are really alliance X can be used to harass alliance X blues without alliance X being exposed. Keep the system in place that if you have an Omega logged in, you can't have an Alpha running -great and all, but you just don't have your Omega running...

To prevent abuse of meta-alpha'ing -restrict the amount of isk that an alpha can receive through player donations. Permit up to 100 million isk donation for the life of the Alpha. Once the 100 million isk limit is reached, player cannot be donated to. If alliance X wants to create 600 alphas and give them 100 mil as suiciders or harassers that's fine, but then the alpha must earn isk to buy their ships. If you see tons of alphas created, donated to, and then deleted, it will give you a fair idea that it's being abused.

might want to consider that alphas cannot receive 'omega' items in trade -could just trade battleships to them to sell on the market and get isk that way.

Is it possible to restrict their ability to sell ships? they should not be able to receive cruisers to put up for sale as a way to fund harassment or suicide fleets. Sure, give them 20 fitted ships, but they can only use them, not sell them.

Good luck with this. glad that newbies will have a chance to see a bit more of the game.

I doubt that will ever happen in that way, as that would open up all the abuse scenarios they're trying to avoid right now. Buy access to Cyno skill, never pay again, free cyno alt forever. Nope.

Why no heavy drones for gallente?

Like vexor main bonus is to drones and has 75 mb so can field 2 heavy, 2 medium and 1 light drone.

With limits you put in gallente alpha clone that is not possible it will only be allowed to field 5 medium drones.

Overall I think idea is oki, but fear that it will be abused, eve players have a habit of pushing the boundries.

Like others have pointed out I think, FW, industry/PI, and market are the areas that has most potentiel of abuse AND hurting the eco system in NE.

With eve players history of finding loop holes in the mechanincs and the areas ppl have already pointed out in the thread, I hope that alpha clone system doen't go live, before it has all been thought thrugh, so the risk is small of abuse to happen. So don't rush things, cause some of the idea can have big impact on eco system.

I want free alts for everyone.

It's definitely preferrable to allow a free Alpha for every Omega ....

... and by that i mean two clients at the same time running.

I my self would prefer that anyone at ccp made an effort and made it more deeper than clones A and B for gameplay sake...

Say new clones are empire breakthrough in pod tech it allows any human to achieve pod pilot like capabilities in attempt to close gap we currently enjoy and exploit oh so much.

Below all of that i see it for what it is FTP and i am not and probably never been fanboy enough to talk **** about it when other games do it but somehow justify it when eve gets it,

it will be exploited by ppl that are already in game most and due to fundamental problems this game suffer from new ppl will not stick around....my opinion of it anyway

not much left to sell off and soup youd **** in is getting cold...bon appetit.

EULA Section 7 D (Monitoring) : You agree that CCP may remotely monitor your Game hardware solely for the purpose of establishing whether in playing the Game and accessing the System you are using software created or approved by CCP, or whether you are using unauthorized software created by you or a third party in contravention of Section 6."

It comes down to the question, can they detect Virtual Machines and VPNs when someone tries to bypass login restrictions imposed to Alpha accounts as they are imposed on trial accounts, or can't they.
My answer is; multiboxing is allowed and encouraged. Not abusing of the system. ISboxing was banned a while ago.

Furthermore, if you see someone exhibit suspicious bot-like swarm behaviour and you're not sure if they are one person or many? I'd say just submit a ticket. Then CCP can set some feelers out.

I don't think CCP will allow more than one Alpha account be online at the same time with another Alpha or Trial.
It's either going to be one Alpha per computer, like the trial, or it's one Alpha + as many Omegas as you want.


That'd be fun, not gonna lie
...but I doubt it will happen. You've seen how they can restrict modules based on Alpha and Omega clone state. They can easily make exceptions for ships.



Look at the devblog. They can only fly Mining Frigates, not Mining Barges and not mining exhumers. They still can get creative and mine in a crui- ohwhoamikidding.

Roenok Baalnorn wrote funny stuff which Eli Stan answered followed by Winter Archipelago as well, both delivering the bullet of reason expertly.
Can't add anything more but thumbs ;)

Do you know how many dozen of million characters already are in the database where some of them have not seen the light of day for a decade?

Furthermore for everyone else fearing this will be a hostile Alpha takeover;, likely you do not know or remember the times when simultaneous Trial accounts online on Tranquility were limited to 1500. It's easy to put a limit.


You mean, as many as there were medical clone grades?

So with free accounts you could have 30 or 40 Cyno alts logged off in every system in your region.

On the bright side hunting capitals would become a thing again ... although much much easier

Quality product almost always sells.

Why not focus all these efforts on making the product better, rather than simply opening up more avenues to selling it?

I can't say this is wholly a terrible idea, but CCP isn't simply aren't addressing attrition enough, thus it leaves a terrible suspicion in the player base that you are just hoping to burn out the life of this game in an ungracious manner, milking it for all the worth that is left in it.

Yes, this may get new blood in, but the past years have just had terrible and sweeping changes which leave left persistent subscribers scratching their heads as to why they are even subbing any more. Hilariously emotional balancing on capitals, draconian changes to jump drives, a gutting of sov mechanics and content seeds, a stale and brittle ship meta, etc.

Work on the NPE driving players to seek other players. Make holding space actually worth something. Fix the dinosaur standings mechanics so joining FW isn't a life long 90s MUD era grind to fix.

Throw a bone to the veteran, persistent subscribers, and soon.