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Dev Blog: Introducing Clone States & the Future of Access to EVE

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Titus Tallang
EVE University
Ivy League
#21 - 2016-08-31 14:27:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Titus Tallang
Multiple logins from Omega and Alpha accounts at the same time must be prohibited, and circumventing this must be a bannable offense.

Otherwise I (and I'm sure many others) will just start multiboxing 10 griffins (at a total cost of 2 million isk, so I don't even have to pay any real attention to those clients) in addition to my main in every single fight, and I'm not sure if that's really the gameplay you are looking for. Don't turn this into "who can micromanage the most accounts at the same time", please.

PS: Apart from that, I'm cautiously optimistic. Free multiboxing is my primary issue.

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Steve Ronuken
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#22 - 2016-08-31 14:27:52 UTC
Can people actually read the devblog and watch the video before complaining?

While the CSM only saw this on Monday, Most had been hammered out already.

Woo! CSM XI!

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WarFireV
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2016-08-31 14:28:26 UTC
This is awesome. :D
AoTxLoGiX
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#24 - 2016-08-31 14:28:59 UTC
Are there restrictions on Standings? Can a Alpha clone for instance run lvl 5's if it had the standing as a Subbed account but then become unsubbed or will there be a restriction on this?
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#25 - 2016-08-31 14:29:10 UTC
Querns wrote:
Regarding this question in the Q&A:

Quote:

Q: Are there restrictions on simultaneous log on for Alpha Clones?


It seems pretty obvious that you should NOT allow multiple alpha clones to be logged in simultaneously from one computer. Allowing this means that I, with a sufficiently powerful computer, can spin up a functionally unlimited number of characters with Mining Frigate trained, and use them to mine unburdened by the PLEX cost that would apply today. This would have the effect of reducing the cost of minerals to, functionally, zero, completely ruining a moderately healthy style of PVE.


They prohibit multiple Free Trial accounts from logging in on the same computer so I'm sure there's some feasibility in prohibiting Alpha characters/accounts from doing so.
CCP Quant
C C P
C C P Alliance
#26 - 2016-08-31 14:29:34 UTC
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
So does this mean Free Trial links/referrals are going away?


Nope, there will be a suitable replacement, stay tuned Smile
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#27 - 2016-08-31 14:30:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentient Blade
This is absolutely massive, and I think it's a good thing..

Perhaps newly created characters should come with all the the allowable skills pre-installed into their character, even if they're not trained?

Now for a few concerns:

Will account status be available via API?

Alts for absolutely no expenditure is going to play havoc with the already fraught situation of who-to-trust as it will be possible to burn through them over and over. Yes, it's not exactly expensive now, but free is different.

Same for ganking. Small hybrid turret IV + destroyer IV is going to make throwaway alts readily accessible for free. I love the idea of forcing safety to green in highsec. That sounds like a very elegant solution.
h4kun4
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2016-08-31 14:30:58 UTC  |  Edited by: h4kun4
so the 72hrs skilling (of future omega skills) after subscription end will also be gone yes?
Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#29 - 2016-08-31 14:31:08 UTC
I'm mostly just hear to eat popcorn and watch. Nice job on involving the CSM early on and stuff... oh wait...

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#30 - 2016-08-31 14:31:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Quote:
Q: What about farming on free alts using systems like industry?

A: We’ve deliberately tried to limit this behavior using the skills allowed in the Alpha list. Without skills to increase things like material efficiency it should be very hard to scale alt farms in a way that hurts the ecosystem.

Didn't you remove skills for improving ME because it was an unfair barrier? Roll Do you even still know your game?

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Q: Won’t lag be a huge problem?

A: We are confident that we can handle a significant increase in activity, so hopefully not. We are prepared to make design changes if this does become a problem, and as always we will continue investing in our hardware and our code base.

The last big battle in Nalvula proves that as a blatant lie. The new hardware is not capable of accommodating any more players, it's in fact only able to accommodate fewer players. Roll

So, CCP doesn't know their game, CCP can't stop lying ... and now they want more players in the game based on that? Looking forward to it. Roll

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#31 - 2016-08-31 14:32:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Titus Tallang wrote:
Multiple logins from Omega and Alpha accounts at the same time must be prohibited, and circumventing this must be a bannable offense.

Otherwise I (and I'm sure many others) will just start multiboxing 10 griffins (at a total cost of 2 million isk, so I don't even have to pay any real attention to those clients) in addition to my main in every single fight, and I'm not sure if that's really the gameplay you are looking for. Don't turn this into "who can micromanage the most accounts at the same time", please.

PS: Apart from that, I'm cautiously optimistic. Free multiboxing is my primary issue.


Griffin are hard to multibox without automation. TRISTANS (and other drone ships, hell, any ship that can assign drones) are not.

I agree, multiple log ins across clone state must be prohibited. nothing wrong with multi boxing, but if we can multibox with alphas I WILL be putting a whole bunch of new drone ships in null sec anoms. My Inflationary pressure will blot out the Sun over CCP Quant's office window.
JonnyPew
Doomheim
#32 - 2016-08-31 14:32:30 UTC
Here we go...

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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#33 - 2016-08-31 14:32:35 UTC
Will Alpha industrialists be limited in what they can build? It's a bit meaningless to say they can't research ME or PE when you can buy fully-researched BPO's, and considering the sheer number of characters free accounts could generate, the lack of production lines is largely irrelevant.

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Kines Pavelovna
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2016-08-31 14:32:45 UTC
So I can't use my market alt to post orders? Or my scan alt to scan? Unless I PLEX each of them?
JTK Fotheringham
Ducks in Outer Space
#35 - 2016-08-31 14:32:51 UTC
Begun the clone war has.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#36 - 2016-08-31 14:32:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
Didn't see that coming.

T3Ds, cloaking, and cyno are not usable on alpha clones so I don't really see a problem with the concept. More people flying T1 frigs, destroyers and cruisers is good for the game. I foresee herds of low skill but free miners across New Eden, though. That is a concerning.

This is really critical:

devblog wrote:

Q: Are there restrictions on simultaneous log on for Alpha Clones?

A: We have not decided whether the simultaneous log on restrictions from the current trial system will apply to Alpha Clones. The decision will partly depend on your feedback, as well as our technical investigations over the coming months.

PLEASE limit the number of simultaneous logins for alpha clones. I suggest two or three. That is enough to let people taste alt play without becoming blatantly exploitative. It also limits the inevitable uptick in ganking, though probably not by enough.

Edit: Also,

CCP Manifest wrote:
The NPE is currently set to get an update at the same time.

http://reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/50hcpc/welcome_to_free_to_play_eve/d741gzt

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Kahless Monstrosity
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#37 - 2016-08-31 14:34:06 UTC
What about FW LP farming? I see people creating tons of free characters to farm FW LP?
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#38 - 2016-08-31 14:35:23 UTC
Kahless Monstrosity wrote:
What about FW LP farming? I see people creating tons of free characters to farm FW LP?


True, I've done lvl 4 FW missions in Caracals with minimal tech2 fittings, won't be hard to use tech1..
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#39 - 2016-08-31 14:37:02 UTC
CCP Quant wrote:
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
So does this mean Free Trial links/referrals are going away?


Nope, there will be a suitable replacement, stay tuned Smile


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JTK Fotheringham
Ducks in Outer Space
#40 - 2016-08-31 14:37:11 UTC
Kines Pavelovna wrote:
So I can't use my market alt to post orders? Or my scan alt to scan? Unless I PLEX each of them?


Can - but poorly compared to an omega.

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