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The Shadow of Serpentis event, miscommunication and autism apparently.

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Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#201 - 2016-08-25 13:19:50 UTC
So when do we get the Shipyards back?
Solecist Project
#202 - 2016-08-25 13:21:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Discordia Duenna wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


The highlighted words tells you everything you need to know about this poster. I wouldn't engage further.


neurotypical
ˌnjʊərə(ʊ)ˈtɪpɪk(ə)l/
adjective
not displaying or characterized by autistic or other neurologically atypical patterns of thought or behaviour.
"neurotypical individuals often assume that their experience of the world is either the only one or the only correct one"



We know what it means, which means your malady isn't your fault. Which is why I'm advising people to not engage further, pointing out unhealthy behavior to someone who can't help it is fruitless.


You need someone to read your posts for you. You are exactly what you are talking about.
Maybe, the next time you use the word "projection" you should, for once, think through yourself!

People give the very same advice about you for a reason!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Zanar Skwigelf
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#203 - 2016-08-25 13:23:48 UTC
Quote:
So let me get this straight - are those people seriously saying that CCP is expected to screw up with such events, so we shouldn't expect them to get it right, and plan ahead & invest our time and effort with the expectation that CCP will screw up?


Yes. there were 9 pages of people saying "what did you expect" prior to your post. Why did this need to be asked?




The 16 hours a day was because in OP you said 450 hours in 28 days. 450 hours / 28 days = 16 hrs per day
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#204 - 2016-08-25 13:24:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Soel Reit
Discordia Duenna wrote:

And yet here you are.


lmao
i've fallen from the chair LolLolLol
Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#205 - 2016-08-25 13:27:39 UTC
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:
Quote:
So let me get this straight - are those people seriously saying that CCP is expected to screw up with such events, so we shouldn't expect them to get it right, and plan ahead & invest our time and effort with the expectation that CCP will screw up?


Yes. there were 9 pages of people saying "what did you expect" prior to your post. Why did this need to be asked?




The 16 hours a day was because in OP you said 450 hours in 28 days. 450 hours / 28 days = 16 hrs per day
Yep me realised I never stated that in this thread .
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#206 - 2016-08-25 13:27:46 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Discordia Duenna wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


The highlighted words tells you everything you need to know about this poster. I wouldn't engage further.


neurotypical
ˌnjʊərə(ʊ)ˈtɪpɪk(ə)l/
adjective
not displaying or characterized by autistic or other neurologically atypical patterns of thought or behaviour.
"neurotypical individuals often assume that their experience of the world is either the only one or the only correct one"



We know what it means, which means your malady isn't your fault. Which is why I'm advising people to not engage further, pointing out unhealthy behavior to someone who can't help it is fruitless.


You need someone to read your posts for you. You are exactly what you are talking about.
Maybe, the next time you use the word "projection" you should, for once, think through yourself!

People give the very same advice about you for a reason!


I'm not on any spectrum, I'm simply saying that I should have figured it out sooner (the clues were there, and I know how much MMOs attract people with these issues, issues they don't create for themselves). The clues were there but I ignored them, won't happen again.

The point is the OP can't help it, further bashing him isn't the right thing to do. Is this hard to understand?
Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#207 - 2016-08-25 13:29:29 UTC
Discordia Duenna wrote:
So when do we get the Shipyards back?


I'm serious, maybe I have some sort of Stockholm syndrome or something.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#208 - 2016-08-25 13:30:45 UTC
Soon™
Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#209 - 2016-08-25 13:34:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Discordia Duenna
Jenn aSide wrote:

I'm not on any spectrum, I'm simply saying that I should have figured it out sooner (the clues were there, and I know how much MMOs attract people with these issues, issues they don't create for themselves). The clues were there but I ignored them, won't happen again.

The point is the OP can't help it, further bashing him isn't the right thing to do. Is this hard to understand?


The problem is you see my "condition" as a condition (issues is the word you use). It isn't. I am not disabled, rather I am enabled. If you think autism is a disability, stop using every-single-piece of technology you own, put down anything with a written word printed on it. Never quote anyone notable in the scientific community, or literature, because I am sorry to say, nearly all the bursts of human ingenuity were achieved by people on the spectrum. It's just a fact.


I spent alot of time understanding this "condition" an autistic amount of time in fact. Einstein said it best (he had this "condition" too)

"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence and fulfills the duty to express the results of his thoughts in clear form."

The quote varies by source, but you get the picture. I am also sure his use of the word mediocre is one of frustration. But this quote is typical of someone with aspergers tendencies and part of the driving factor behind people seeing people with aspergers as "difficult". In other words they don't buy peoples bullshit and people expect people to accept their bullshit.
Solecist Project
#210 - 2016-08-25 13:39:45 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

I'm not on any spectrum, I'm simply saying that I should have figured it out sooner (the clues were there, and I know how much MMOs attract people with these issues, issues they don't create for themselves). The clues were there but I ignored them, won't happen again.

The point is the OP can't help it, further bashing him isn't the right thing to do. Is this hard to understand?

Thething is that the OP isn't wrong not to apply the attitudes of defeatists ...
... and as someone who isn't a defeatist ...
... he stands up for it DESPITE the defeatists.

There is no bashing here, you're constantly on the **** side of the medal without realizing it.

You're a yes-man who sees himself as realist and you constantly have the need to shout it out ...
... whenever someone triggers you into responding.

"Well, what did you expect" is the response slave who has been defeated by his master and knows no logic around standing up for himself. When he wrongly assumes the person spoken to is also a slave, but then it turns out the person stands up for himself, the slaves get angry (you call it bashing), because they are slaves and can't stand someone who refuses to be one!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Zanar Skwigelf
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#211 - 2016-08-25 13:50:18 UTC
Quote:

The point is the OP can't help it, further bashing him isn't the right thing to do. Is this hard to understand?


Is posting ever the right thing to do?
Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#212 - 2016-08-25 13:51:19 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:



We know what it means, which means your malady isn't your fault. Which is why I'm advising people to not engage further, pointing out unhealthy behavior to someone who can't help it is fruitless.




In fact it's quite offensive to call it a "malady". Shocked
Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#213 - 2016-08-25 13:52:39 UTC
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:
Quote:

The point is the OP can't help it, further bashing him isn't the right thing to do. Is this hard to understand?


Is posting ever the right thing to do?


Before you start a new thread
Dibz
Doomheim
#214 - 2016-08-25 13:58:47 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Dibz wrote:
Oh, just 18 hours a day, my mistake Lol


Do you ever bingewatch?
Because that's worse.

Dedication towards a goal > mindless consumption


There are goals, and then there are goals.

The consumption of art is its own reward, it's not endured as a personal challenge with the expectation of a reward at the end of it.

Some people see challenges everywhere which have to be met, and that's fine, to a point. It's often useful to society after all. But sometimes that leads to obsessive and unhealthy behaviour.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#215 - 2016-08-25 14:04:20 UTC
Dibz wrote:
unhealthy behaviour.



unhealthy on what bases? society's bases? health's bases?
pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

what is society or health in comparison to the freedom?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#216 - 2016-08-25 14:04:57 UTC
Dibz wrote:
16 hours a day for 28 days straight? What the hell, man. To be honest I don't think CCP should be rewarding that kind of behaviour.


Next week there is a pve townhall meeting, I might bring up the issue of these types of events of people who are susceptible to some really bad effects. Despite all the hurf blurff going on in this thread (much of it I think isn't really genuine), I think CCP might take a bit more care with how grindy these things are and how much they reward compulsive behaviors.

Sure Crimson Harvest, Frostline and Serpent had some good affects on the game, but as we see here they may have some bad effects on a few people. As players I don't think we should be supporting that.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#217 - 2016-08-25 14:12:36 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

Sure Crimson Harvest, Frostline and Serpent had some good affects on the game, but as we see here they may have some bad effects on a few people. As players I don't think we should be supporting that.


cmon mom.... a little more and i'll turn off the pc.... for today Cool
seriously dude, there are only adults people around here.

if you feel the urgency to have children.... well you know what to do.
"Fc i want many childs, what do?"
Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#218 - 2016-08-25 14:14:45 UTC
Dibz wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Dibz wrote:
Oh, just 18 hours a day, my mistake Lol


Do you ever bingewatch?
Because that's worse.

Dedication towards a goal > mindless consumption


There are goals, and then there are goals.

The consumption of art is its own reward, it's not endured as a personal challenge with the expectation of a reward at the end of it.

Some people see challenges everywhere which have to be met, and that's fine, to a point. It's often useful to society after all. But sometimes that leads to obsessive and unhealthy behaviour.


This particular challenge provided lots of entertainment for lots of people. It employed nearly every skill I have in eve and the travelling salesman problem of navigating this event was cognitively very enriching, especially when you add in WT's and low sec. Compared to playing vanilla eve it was very engaging. Eve feels slow now.
Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#219 - 2016-08-25 14:15:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Discordia Duenna
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dibz wrote:
16 hours a day for 28 days straight? What the hell, man. To be honest I don't think CCP should be rewarding that kind of behaviour.


Next week there is a pve townhall meeting, I might bring up the issue of these types of events of people who are susceptible to some really bad effects. Despite all the hurf blurff going on in this thread (much of it I think isn't really genuine), I think CCP might take a bit more care with how grindy these things are and how much they reward compulsive behaviors.

Sure Crimson Harvest, Frostline and Serpent had some good affects on the game, but as we see here they may have some bad effects on a few people. As players I don't think we should be supporting that.


I can't fault you on doing this tbh. Let me know how it goes. But people do this stuff without events to do. I have not put in the same hours as I did for this event before, but I can tell you I have done so when I was particularly engaged with other things in games and like I said many many RL projects too, you can't fix it.

It could also be the case that people needs time sinks like this for their own catharsis. But treating the people who ran the event like people who need help rather than adults capable of making their own choices, won't help.

Balance this.
Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#220 - 2016-08-25 15:22:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkoth 24
Dibz wrote:
16 hours a day for 28 days straight? What the hell, man. To be honest I don't think CCP should be rewarding that kind of behaviour.

Actually, every company rewards mindless grind. That's the kind of customers they welcome.


How it was in Necris Collective:

"Oh, another event from CCP."

"Another stupid farm race."

"Yeap, f#@k it."

Jenn aSide wrote:
Which is why I'm advising people to not engage further, pointing out unhealthy behavior to someone who can't help it is fruitless.

Whatever you say, my friend.

Whatever.

You.

Say.

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