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its not a messing "with" nullsec dwellers, its messing between nullsec dwellers and thus completely neutral to the rest of eve.
Now you can go back to wardeccing small industry corps for their retrievers.

I see the benefits of this. But here is the question: why is it a bad thing to keep it as is?

The Citadel cannot fire without being manned. But it also cannot be destroyed unless it is vulnerable - which is not often. While one can camp a gate 1,000km off with a bubble with a number of ships or ship, you have a "fighting chance".

BUT, at least the Citadel cannot warp scram you... unless it is vulnerable. Which means you only have to worry about any tackle and the bubble itself - both of which can be readily fought.

Give or take... this change won't really change gate camping, just excludes something that cannot scram most of the time, is not easily moved to keep as a surprise, and is pretty much begging to be a target when it is vulnerable.

I'm in two minds about this... anchorable bubbles do litter a lot of space, but in many places they form an important part of defenses and "owning space". It's the EVE equivalent of building a wall of sandbags and barbed wire.

People are still going to put them up, but now with the added grind of repeating the setup process over and over again at yet-another-timer, which I don't think constitutes enjoyable gameplay.

There's the cost factor of course, but this should not be as big a problem for all but the smallest nullsec alliances.

I think you mean they work unevenly, and you want them both equally unintuitive. How intuitive is it that you can make a ship land inside a drag bubble when they're meant to get things stuck on the edge of them like a bug?

You realize you are making it so that both catch and drag bubbles will have the unintuitive behavior of putting ships in the middle of a bubble, right

right?

I am of two minds on this.

Please CCP stop doing ****ing stupid ****, but you all won't (I know)

Heres the deal, change the bubbles effects to be max 1000km. That way you all (CCP) have your hard limits to the bubbles.
This means any current citadel set up to do drag and point defense won't work, but they can drag the fleets to the front of the citadel and use the missiles to attack. This still leaves some love to the SOV/Citadel owner to get pay back on the roaming *****es.
This also make it so any friendlies warping gate to gate get pulled and placed outside the safety of the tether - which will make the citadel owner wonder, is the bubble worth it if my allies lose ships to reds?

Please CCP, stop doing stupid ****ing ******** half *** ****.

I love you all, but sometimes I just wonder what you all have between your brains. . . its like that stupid daily log on idea. we told you it wouldn't work and you still did it, and six weeks later pulled it b/c it didn't work.
When will you all wake up?

hugs and kisses.

I think there's a problem in how these bubbles work, and Rain touched upon it but I would like to expand. Right now, as has been thoroughly explained in this thread, you have a AOE anchorable that does three different things depending on the way you hit it. It is either a brick wall that brings you to a halt, a sloggish speed trap that forces you to slowboat out of it (Star Trek's Omega particle, anyone?), or it's a freaking acceleration gate that fling you hundreds of kilomters in a given direction.

So forgive me if I refer to this "dragging" thing as an "emergent bug/sanctioned exploit". I have used the term once before in reference to the famous double-wrap technique. What I mean by this phrase it that this feels like a useful glitch/logic loophole that was found and widely used to such an extent that Devs seem reluctant to remove it.

I can't imagine a meeting where the old developers sat around and drew on a markerboard, "Hey guys, we're going to give players this thing that acts as a brick wall/golf sand trap/acceleration gate all in one!". No, I just can't see that as being intentional in any way, shape or form. This had to emerge from an unforeseen collision of programming that was never intentional. Warp bubbles would not be called "mobile warp disruptor" if they were intended from the outset to also act as strange acceleration gates that slingshot ships past their intended landing point.

The problem seems to be that Devs are trying to control and mitigate a glitch instead of fixing it. Bubbles should shut off your warp engines and cause you to fall out of warp, full stop (pun intended). There should be no way to use a stop effect to do literally the opposite of stopping people. That'd be like landing a scram on a ship and causing the ship to fly a few hundred kilometers in a random direction. Stop trying to make the glitch manageable and just remove the glitch.

If it is intentional for warp bubbles to also act like acceleration gates, it is well and truly bizzare, and it is not reflected in the name or description of these items. If devs want to keep this effect, then it needs a a name change and a thorough explanation in the description of the anchorables and ship-borne bubbles, detailing every ludicrous and silly thing these things do. Right now it's "prevents warping within its area of effect". And that's not accurate.

Yes. I'd pick Steal over expire any day. Which does not preclude killmails in case you don't steal them of course ;-)

YaY for Free Bubblez!

Agreed. citadel gate camps for easy pews.

What's the point in doing this though? The larger are already strictly better in almost every circumstance, so this really just adds inconsistency and opens up the potential for further bubble shenanigans, like setting up a Large out at 500m flanked by Mediums so you land inside the Mediums (since you weren't within their drag distance) at the edge of the Large.