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1. I think this thread was started, some 8 months ago, with the express purpose of letting players "think" CCP was interested in feedback towards some possible change. "IF" it is still being monitored by Devs it is from a far off distance, in the not really serious category.
(maybe dev threads should be locked after they have lost interest in them - Which judging by input from Devs, was about 7 months ago for this one. That way players wouldn't waste time giving feedback and suggestions in threads Devs no longer bother with)

2. I've lost more cyno ships doing logistics than any other ship type over all my characters and alts. In active systems you have around 20 to 30 seconds to get the cyno lit and jump to it before your cyno alt is in a pod.

3. What is to stop people just burning out to X distance and lighting 10 spread out cynos? What would be a base mass for them - 10 dreads, 5 supers, 2 titans, etc? All vary in mass, 10 Dreads is approximately the same mass as one Fax - One Thanatos or Moros is around 1.3 mil T, an Apostle is 13 mil T.

4. Again, what mass limit do you start out with? Enough for a squad of Dreads and a Fax, which can then be used to jump in twice as many Dreads instead? Quickly mass it out, light another and repeat any group wanting to jump capitals to a fight is simply going to ensure they have enough cynos to mass move all the ships they need.

5. We don't need more tools to clutter up the game, local, combat probes and Dscan work perfectly well. If you can't catch some guy in an anom and gank him with local, how are you going to do it when he doesn't show in local and your only choice is to scan the whole system?
And do remember, the less intel most players get the more risk averse they become. There is a very good reason so many don't do WH.
The game has already been redesigned enough around niche play styles, don't contribute to more change to suit a few.

Those who multi quote responses are just a pain in the **** AND in this case you are totally wrong with both your points of view.
If you can't reply with something pertinent to the conversation, without breaking it up and trying to change the context within which it was written - Don't bother responding at all..

If Devs can't contribute to a discussion - Started by them - There is no point having it to start with.
The old "we are taking notice" is just a load of BULL - There is a Seagul presentation floating around from some time ago that clearly states - Staff at CCP will keep communication open with players, since then dev activity in the forums has dropped off so much they may as well not be here at all. (r/E however seems to get daily attention from Some Devs)
If Devs are actually taking the time to follow their threads and are reading, it would take less than a minute to write a quick response - I'm up to date (or something to at least show, they are still interested)

Secondly; The post I responded to, my statement was accurate and intended as it was written (in responding to point 5.) - WH is where there is no or limited local, WH players are a "special" minority - We don't need the rest of TQ becoming more like WH space by changing how local works - to suit a minority.
Try reading what I responded to - Tell me how you would have responded to, Most of TQ is so risk averse now it is hard to do anything, remove or even limit local - The outcome would just increase paranoia and risk aversion, for all but the minority that like that play style. Adding more tools - and the micro management that comes with them - is just not something a lot of players want.

1. It may be monitored by the devs, it may not. I do know that some changes happened long after a thread had died. Either way, it's fun to chat about it IMHO.

2. Cyno ships are often lost because people select cheap ships and fit them to be expendable. After 10 seconds, they have completed their purpose, so there is no need to fit something better. If there was a reason, fits would change to meet the requirement.

3A. Nothing, if you want to burn out and light more cynos, it's a vaild option, but you increase the risk to your force by spreading everyone out where they can't get mutual support.

3B and 4. When it comes to mass, first, FAX are not significantly larger than any other capital. For example, Revelation: 1.29 bil kg, Apostle: 1.31 bil kg, Archon: 1.26 bil kg. Next, I think there should be 3 types of cynos.
-COVOPS: Can move a small-moderate sized fleet of COVOPS BSs.
-T1: Easy to fit. Can move a small fleet of capitals. No single jump mass limit, and you can always jump through if you have any mass left, so you could jump a Titan through a T1 cyno if you wanted to.
-T2: Fits on capitals. Same as T1, but it has a longer warm-up period and can move up to a small-moderate sized fleet of supers.

Yes, you can jump stuff in, mass it out, light a new cyno, jump more in etc. The limit to projection will be from waiting for your cynos to be jumpable. Moving a big fleet will look something like this: Super-tanked Maller lights T1 cyno, 60 second delay, 2 dreads and a FAX jump in, cyno collapses, dread lights T2 cyno, 120 second delay, 2 supercarriers and 2 titans jump in. cyno masses out, 2nd dread (to spread out the fuel load) lights T2 cyno, 120 second delay, 4 carriers and 2 supercarrier jump in. Even for this rather moderate-sized force, it took 5 minutes to move them 1 jump. It will also scale with size, so while this took 5 minutes, if you wanted to blob with supers it will take much longer.

5. I can d-scan down a small system in a couple of minutes, or determine that there are no valid targets by simply glancing at my d-scan (which refreshes automatically when entering a new system). For now, they could be in a POS, but that's going away. For larger systems, you'll have to warp around a bit, but it won't take an inordinate amount of time. People generally don't catch people because when ratters/miners see a nuet enter local they dock up. I can't tell you how many wrecks I've seen while shotgunning into a system to look for ratters. We found the right spots, but the ratters were long gone.

I don't think it will break the game to give a defensive player another tool, or maybe better versions of the tools they already have to defend themselves in localless space. Maybe the new observatories can fit a probe launcher that can lanch 32 probes, with auto-cycling scans with a short delay (I.E. Scan, wait 5 seconds, scan) and you can send them out in little defensive spheres around friendly ratters, or maybe they can enhance a ship's D-scan, so it can detect a cloaking signature within a few AU, but can't determine more.

Bringing the original post back into perspective - No-one asked anyone to say "He/She" has a good idea.

If anyone working in software development, 1st believe their input is dangerous, 2nd can't respond without hinting at committing to something - They really have no place in dealing with the community they develop for and should not create threads.

One simple post (after 8 months) - "We are still interested in what you have to say" - Doesn't commit anyone to anything but does show the community they aren't just talking to themselves.

... yet they chat it up on reddit

11 months with no word from Devs - I'd say this thread was a good distraction but there was never any intention of it leading to change.

Sgt Ocker stayed subbed By Accident - I forgot to go back to account management and cancel "auto pay" so CCP got money for jam.
Yes this thread did achieve exactly what it set out to - Nothing - I said as much above.
"Doomsday predictions" - There weren't any in this thread but you can read it how you like. Fatigue and jump ranges are still limiting capital content to the odd blobfest.
Even without watch lists more supers die travel fit than they do in combat - SO, jump fatigue and limited ranges must be working, after all PVP in Eve is all about, he who can field the most wins.

And Malcanass; Please - don't presume, it just makes you look foolish. (sgt ocker is a forum alt, hasn't been active in "sovereign space" since the early weeks of the MBC - It was during that short time, back in blob fleets, I knew sov warfare wasn't for me)
Interesting side note - You did leave "Sov space" where as, I just logged off there (after the last 5 to 1 gankfest I could be bothered attending).

This much at least is provably false.

Capitals are killing and dying more now than they were before jump fatigue. Jump Fatigue is hardly strangling capital content, if anything it's allowing people to use caps more not less.

The lower base ehp has probably nothing to do with that..

If I could rollback only one change from the past couple of years, it would not be jump fatigue - it would be the nerf to null-to-null wormhole frequency and longevity.