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Was the destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor necessary?
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Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#121 - 2016-06-04 00:49:51 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
It's not a question of disagreeing, it's a question of fact. There are an infinite variety of subjects on which you hold no belief at all simply by dint of being ignorant of them.

Do you believe that yttrium aluminium garnet is a more appropriate choice of solid-state laser for use in gem polishing than, say, Er:YLF or Cr:LISAF?

Do you believe that OHK builds are an effective counter the banner meta in Aligned Stars? Do you believe that Shmerk should be made with coriander or with Ba seeds?

You have no opinion on an endless variety of things. Not having an opinion is the default state of being.


True. So? I know that I will never ******* not ave an opinion about in whom the blame lies for Malkalen. I don't blame the living, I blame the dead bastard Noir. If you wish to continue this conversation, which I really don't, please do everybody the favor of making a new thread. We've corrupted Kim's ~lovely~ OP--how tragic.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#122 - 2016-06-04 00:51:00 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Aradina Varren wrote:

Really, we should have destroyed Gallente Prime.


You are most welcome, and I thank you for joining Diana as another valuable tool in helping to educate the Federal population to the policies of conciliation.


Woosh.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2016-06-04 04:54:21 UTC
Neph wrote:


Also, don't Gallentize the spelling of Okaam's name.


I can't spell something using my own language?

What about Ockham, the original localized spelling? Is that not acceptable? Only the Caldari spelling is?

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Aradina Varren
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#124 - 2016-06-04 11:52:31 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Aradina Varren wrote:

Really, we should have destroyed Gallente Prime.


You are most welcome, and I thank you for joining Diana as another valuable tool in helping to educate the Federal population to the policies of conciliation.



Neph wrote:


Woosh.


Feels Pretty Soft to Me.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#125 - 2016-06-05 10:09:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
This is why it's so important to go no further than to say "I'd like some proof" over the Malkalen Incident, rather than inserting your own conspiracy theory involving megacorps, or Jovians, or the... I dunno, The Broker or something.

I mean, we KNOW how that station got blown up. A crapping great big spaceship rammed into it. I was there. Hell, I was the one who salvaged the chunk of its armor that was eventually donated to become the memorial to the attack.

Except... the man ostensibly piloting it apparently had every motive not to do so. And space stations have built-in navigational deflectors to protect them against exactly that scenario. And these two glitches in normalcy coincided with a peace summit at the most delicate balancing point in Caldari-Gallente relations since the end of the war...

The difference between a rational skeptic and a conspiracy theorist is that the former points out these discrepancies and goes not further than that, while the latter invents a narrative.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#126 - 2016-06-05 14:15:08 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
This is why it's so important to go no further than to say "I'd like some proof" over the Malkalen Incident, rather than inserting your own conspiracy theory involving megacorps, or Jovians, or the... I dunno, The Broker or something.

I mean, we KNOW how that station got blown up. A crapping great big spaceship rammed into it. I was there. Hell, I was the one who salvaged the chunk of its armor that was eventually donated to become the memorial to the attack.

Except... the man ostensibly piloting it apparently had every motive not to do so. And space stations have built-in navigational deflectors to protect them against exactly that scenario. And these two glitches in normalcy coincided with a peace summit at the most delicate balancing point in Caldari-Gallente relations since the end of the war...

The difference between a rational skeptic and a conspiracy theorist is that the former points out these discrepancies and goes not further than that, while the latter invents a narrative.


It seems fairly obvious, that "Admiral Noir" who was piloting the FNS Wandering Saint, was an impostor. A lookalike. Such things are not uncommon, with cloning and gene-manipulation, not to mention actual infomorphic subversion. Clone doppelgangers as it were.
It's a peculiar failing in the modern era, to place far too much emphasis on DNA and other technical evidence, and discounting human evidence. "The machine must be right!" people say.
So if Admiral Noir's DNA was found in the remains of the capsule in the Wandering Saint, well, that does not rule out the possibility that it was a cloned impostor.

What is not obvious though, is who that impostor was working for.

What we do know though, is that there was sabotage at the Malkalen station. And we also know that Admiral Eturrer was a Gallente Navy admiral that betrayed the Federation during the invasion of Caldari Prime.

It seems likely, that these events are connected in some way.

So, who gained from plunging the Federation and State into war with each other ?

The outcome didn't favour the Federation, so it probably wasn't them. And it didn't really favour the State either, what with the revealing of all of Black Rise, which had previously remained unknown, so it probably wasn't them.

So... It was someone else. But who ?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#127 - 2016-06-05 18:59:13 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
This is why it's so important to go no further than to say "I'd like some proof" over the Malkalen Incident, rather than inserting your own conspiracy theory involving megacorps, or Jovians, or the... I dunno, The Broker or something.

I mean, we KNOW how that station got blown up. A crapping great big spaceship rammed into it. I was there. Hell, I was the one who salvaged the chunk of its armor that was eventually donated to become the memorial to the attack.

Except... the man ostensibly piloting it apparently had every motive not to do so. And space stations have built-in navigational deflectors to protect them against exactly that scenario. And these two glitches in normalcy coincided with a peace summit at the most delicate balancing point in Caldari-Gallente relations since the end of the war...

The difference between a rational skeptic and a conspiracy theorist is that the former points out these discrepancies and goes not further than that, while the latter invents a narrative.


It seems fairly obvious, that "Admiral Noir" who was piloting the FNS Wandering Saint, was an impostor. A lookalike. Such things are not uncommon, with cloning and gene-manipulation, not to mention actual infomorphic subversion. Clone doppelgangers as it were.
It's a peculiar failing in the modern era, to place far too much emphasis on DNA and other technical evidence, and discounting human evidence. "The machine must be right!" people say.
So if Admiral Noir's DNA was found in the remains of the capsule in the Wandering Saint, well, that does not rule out the possibility that it was a cloned impostor.

What is not obvious though, is who that impostor was working for.

What we do know though, is that there was sabotage at the Malkalen station. And we also know that Admiral Eturrer was a Gallente Navy admiral that betrayed the Federation during the invasion of Caldari Prime.

It seems likely, that these events are connected in some way.

So, who gained from plunging the Federation and State into war with each other ?

The outcome didn't favour the Federation, so it probably wasn't them. And it didn't really favour the State either, what with the revealing of all of Black Rise, which had previously remained unknown, so it probably wasn't them.

So... It was someone else. But who ?

the corporations that make isk from his war
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#128 - 2016-06-06 01:34:20 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
This is why it's so important to go no further than to say "I'd like some proof" over the Malkalen Incident, rather than inserting your own conspiracy theory involving megacorps, or Jovians, or the... I dunno, The Broker or something.

I mean, we KNOW how that station got blown up. A crapping great big spaceship rammed into it. I was there. Hell, I was the one who salvaged the chunk of its armor that was eventually donated to become the memorial to the attack.

Except... the man ostensibly piloting it apparently had every motive not to do so. And space stations have built-in navigational deflectors to protect them against exactly that scenario. And these two glitches in normalcy coincided with a peace summit at the most delicate balancing point in Caldari-Gallente relations since the end of the war...

The difference between a rational skeptic and a conspiracy theorist is that the former points out these discrepancies and goes not further than that, while the latter invents a narrative.


It seems fairly obvious, that "Admiral Noir" who was piloting the FNS Wandering Saint, was an impostor. A lookalike. Such things are not uncommon, with cloning and gene-manipulation, not to mention actual infomorphic subversion. Clone doppelgangers as it were.
It's a peculiar failing in the modern era, to place far too much emphasis on DNA and other technical evidence, and discounting human evidence. "The machine must be right!" people say.
So if Admiral Noir's DNA was found in the remains of the capsule in the Wandering Saint, well, that does not rule out the possibility that it was a cloned impostor.

What is not obvious though, is who that impostor was working for.

What we do know though, is that there was sabotage at the Malkalen station. And we also know that Admiral Eturrer was a Gallente Navy admiral that betrayed the Federation during the invasion of Caldari Prime.

It seems likely, that these events are connected in some way.

So, who gained from plunging the Federation and State into war with each other ?

The outcome didn't favour the Federation, so it probably wasn't them. And it didn't really favour the State either, what with the revealing of all of Black Rise, which had previously remained unknown, so it probably wasn't them.

So... It was someone else. But who ?


The Jove, of course.

See, this is why I don't even bother wondering about some things. What you receive is nothing if not for an enigmatic answer. In short, such an answer is very enigmatic. It barely answers anything at all. In fact, it raises more questions than before.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#129 - 2016-06-06 02:03:33 UTC
Neph wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
This is why it's so important to go no further than to say "I'd like some proof" over the Malkalen Incident, rather than inserting your own conspiracy theory involving megacorps, or Jovians, or the... I dunno, The Broker or something.

I mean, we KNOW how that station got blown up. A crapping great big spaceship rammed into it. I was there. Hell, I was the one who salvaged the chunk of its armor that was eventually donated to become the memorial to the attack.

Except... the man ostensibly piloting it apparently had every motive not to do so. And space stations have built-in navigational deflectors to protect them against exactly that scenario. And these two glitches in normalcy coincided with a peace summit at the most delicate balancing point in Caldari-Gallente relations since the end of the war...

The difference between a rational skeptic and a conspiracy theorist is that the former points out these discrepancies and goes not further than that, while the latter invents a narrative.


It seems fairly obvious, that "Admiral Noir" who was piloting the FNS Wandering Saint, was an impostor. A lookalike. Such things are not uncommon, with cloning and gene-manipulation, not to mention actual infomorphic subversion. Clone doppelgangers as it were.
It's a peculiar failing in the modern era, to place far too much emphasis on DNA and other technical evidence, and discounting human evidence. "The machine must be right!" people say.
So if Admiral Noir's DNA was found in the remains of the capsule in the Wandering Saint, well, that does not rule out the possibility that it was a cloned impostor.

What is not obvious though, is who that impostor was working for.

What we do know though, is that there was sabotage at the Malkalen station. And we also know that Admiral Eturrer was a Gallente Navy admiral that betrayed the Federation during the invasion of Caldari Prime.

It seems likely, that these events are connected in some way.

So, who gained from plunging the Federation and State into war with each other ?

The outcome didn't favour the Federation, so it probably wasn't them. And it didn't really favour the State either, what with the revealing of all of Black Rise, which had previously remained unknown, so it probably wasn't them.

So... It was someone else. But who ?


The Jove, of course.

See, this is why I don't even bother wondering about some things. What you receive is nothing if not for an enigmatic answer. In short, such an answer is very enigmatic. It barely answers anything at all. In fact, it raises more questions than before.



And how exactly do the Jove, the ones who started the whole CONCORD idea to stop the rest of us from blowing the crap out of ourselves towards extinction event, benefit from THIS?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#130 - 2016-06-06 04:09:19 UTC
If I could ram my Nyx into the servers that house the IGS I would. Only I would fit some kinetic hardeners and overheat my microwarp drive to do the job right.

Seven pages of bullshit about things that can not change.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#131 - 2016-06-06 04:20:49 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Neph wrote:


The Jove, of course.

See, this is why I don't even bother wondering about some things. What you receive is nothing if not for an enigmatic answer. In short, such an answer is very enigmatic. It barely answers anything at all. In fact, it raises more questions than before.



And how exactly do the Jove, the ones who started the whole CONCORD idea to stop the rest of us from blowing the crap out of ourselves towards extinction event, benefit from THIS?




See, this is why I stopped trying to be sarcastic over written media.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#132 - 2016-06-06 06:37:32 UTC
The destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor was a terroist act and completely unecessary. How is this a hard question deserving this many pages of discussion?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Aradina Varren
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#133 - 2016-06-06 13:07:48 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor was a terroist act and completely unecessary. How is this a hard question deserving this many pages of discussion?



That stopped being the subject a looong time ago.

Feels Pretty Soft to Me.
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#134 - 2016-06-06 14:28:22 UTC
Neph wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
This is why it's so important to go no further than to say "I'd like some proof" over the Malkalen Incident, rather than inserting your own conspiracy theory involving megacorps, or Jovians, or the... I dunno, The Broker or something.

I mean, we KNOW how that station got blown up. A crapping great big spaceship rammed into it. I was there. Hell, I was the one who salvaged the chunk of its armor that was eventually donated to become the memorial to the attack.

Except... the man ostensibly piloting it apparently had every motive not to do so. And space stations have built-in navigational deflectors to protect them against exactly that scenario. And these two glitches in normalcy coincided with a peace summit at the most delicate balancing point in Caldari-Gallente relations since the end of the war...

The difference between a rational skeptic and a conspiracy theorist is that the former points out these discrepancies and goes not further than that, while the latter invents a narrative.


It seems fairly obvious, that "Admiral Noir" who was piloting the FNS Wandering Saint, was an impostor. A lookalike. Such things are not uncommon, with cloning and gene-manipulation, not to mention actual infomorphic subversion. Clone doppelgangers as it were.
It's a peculiar failing in the modern era, to place far too much emphasis on DNA and other technical evidence, and discounting human evidence. "The machine must be right!" people say.
So if Admiral Noir's DNA was found in the remains of the capsule in the Wandering Saint, well, that does not rule out the possibility that it was a cloned impostor.

What is not obvious though, is who that impostor was working for.

What we do know though, is that there was sabotage at the Malkalen station. And we also know that Admiral Eturrer was a Gallente Navy admiral that betrayed the Federation during the invasion of Caldari Prime.

It seems likely, that these events are connected in some way.

So, who gained from plunging the Federation and State into war with each other ?

The outcome didn't favour the Federation, so it probably wasn't them. And it didn't really favour the State either, what with the revealing of all of Black Rise, which had previously remained unknown, so it probably wasn't them.

So... It was someone else. But who ?


The Jove, of course.

See, this is why I don't even bother wondering about some things. What you receive is nothing if not for an enigmatic answer. In short, such an answer is very enigmatic. It barely answers anything at all. In fact, it raises more questions than before.

the jove are dead ok
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#135 - 2016-06-06 14:44:56 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
If I could ram my Nyx into the servers that house the IGS I would. Only I would fit some kinetic hardeners and overheat my microwarp drive to do the job right.

Seven pages of bullshit about things that can not change.

Please don't destroy my realm it's the only one I have....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#136 - 2016-06-06 15:32:02 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor was a terroist act and completely unecessary. How is this a hard question deserving this many pages of discussion?

Mr. Tuulinen....

You disappoint me GREATLY. . . by lack of argumentation to your opinion. Really, can you think it might NOT be a terrorist act? I considered you to be more.... you know, reasonable.

Have I ever told you why I hate gallente? Well, there are several reasons. And one, that prevents me to speak with most of them with respect is their, excuse me, stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetetive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again as they watch their holos, for example, that democracy is good, that freedom is good, without even realizing what stands behind these words. Have you ever tried to argue with gallentean about freedom or democracy? That's like talking to a wall.

Don't tell me you got hooked on propaganda too. Don't be like THEM.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Cain Aloga
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#137 - 2016-06-06 17:23:32 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetetive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again


Please tell me I am not the only one that sees it?

While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#138 - 2016-06-06 17:29:44 UTC
Don't worry, your not...

Roll
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#139 - 2016-06-06 17:50:22 UTC
Slayer Liberator wrote:
the jove are dead ok



And good riddance!

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#140 - 2016-06-06 17:50:42 UTC
Cain Aloga wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetetive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again


Please tell me I am not the only one that sees it?

I am sorry for that.
Of course, it shall be "repetitive propaganda", not "repetetive".

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.