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Scammed, and not sure how.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#81 - 2012-01-14 05:32:04 UTC
Wasting time is a huge risk, especially in scamming.


If I spend 3 weeks doing nothing but attempting to scam, and fail at it, I have wasted 3 weeks of potential income that could have been made doing something else.

I haven't wasted the isk because I didn't have it. But I did waste time.
Fearless M0F0
Incursion PWNAGE Asc
#82 - 2012-01-14 06:27:33 UTC
I actually use the Eve trade window lag scam as an example of what happens when a programmer forgets to wrap all the related code in a transaction context Roll
Ursula LeGuinn
Perkone
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-01-14 07:06:32 UTC
Using the trade window for anything other than incidentals — say, trading a frozen corpse, some mining crystals or some ammo with a buddy — is foolish.

It would certainly be nice if CCP tweaked the trade interface to be more reliable than it is, but until they do, not using it for commerce is one of the fundamental rules of survival in EVE.

Personally, I dislike scams because they prey largely on the new and inexperienced. While most veterans see this as a trial by fire and a rite of passage, it can cause people to quit who might later on have become respectable pilots. Many a carebear has gotten bored after a year or two and started actually playing the game.

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Zarcan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-01-14 07:18:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarcan
Okay all, I'd like to give a shout out to a few people right now.



I just got back from work and logged on to find 2 active contracts to me, one from a character by the name of 1-Up Mushroom, and the other from Captain Dunzel.

1-Up Mushroom's contract offered me 50,000,000 isk and a free Navy Dominix.
Captain Dunzel offered me a free Navy Dominix as well.

I am astounded and reinvigorated. You both put huge smiles on my faces and restored some hope in humanity for myself.

I am reallocating the 50,000,000 isk to Captain Dunzel's wallet for his generosity, and declining his contract. While the ship is incredibly helpful, it's just the means to an end to making my own isk.


I think everyone should give a shout out to the altruism we've seen here today from these two players, and for stepping up when CCP did not.

Thanks again guys. I'd hug you if I knew you.

Zarc
Ursula LeGuinn
Perkone
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-01-14 07:27:50 UTC
I was considering offering you 100m myself (provided your petition went nowhere), but apparently I'm too selfish. Actually, it's more that I'm too generous and would be broke all the time if I gave in to every sad story. No joke, I'm the kind of person who gives $5 to every panhandler and beggar I encounter IRL.

What's important is that you learned a lesson. You were lucky enough that folks chose to help you out in your time of need. You need to get together with people who'll tell you about stuff like this, such as public chat channels for various corporations or alliances (E-UNI is one that's populous and accessible). There are also plenty of lists of EVE scams you can Google.

I myself have never been scammed, but I was hacked years ago due to following a bad link, the very thing forum stickies warn about. I know the feeling.

"The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community." — EVElopedia
Zarcan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#86 - 2012-01-14 07:34:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarcan
Ursula LeGuinn wrote:
I was considering offering you 100m myself (provided your petition went nowhere), but apparently I'm too selfish. Actually, it's more that I'm too generous and would be broke all the time if I gave in to every sad story. No joke, I'm the kind of person who gives $5 to every panhandler and beggar I encounter IRL.

What's important is that you learned a lesson. You were lucky enough that folks chose to help you out in your time of need. You need to get together with people who'll tell you about stuff like this, such as public chat channels for various corporations or alliances (E-UNI is one that's populous and accessible). There are also plenty of lists of EVE scams you can Google.


My God, you're arrogant.
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#87 - 2012-01-14 07:47:11 UTC
Zarcan wrote:
Ursula LeGuinn wrote:
I was considering offering you 100m myself (provided your petition went nowhere), but apparently I'm too selfish. Actually, it's more that I'm too generous and would be broke all the time if I gave in to every sad story. No joke, I'm the kind of person who gives $5 to every panhandler and beggar I encounter IRL.

What's important is that you learned a lesson. You were lucky enough that folks chose to help you out in your time of need. You need to get together with people who'll tell you about stuff like this, such as public chat channels for various corporations or alliances (E-UNI is one that's populous and accessible). There are also plenty of lists of EVE scams you can Google.


My God, you're arrogant.

And you're an idiot, so what?
Ursula LeGuinn
Perkone
Caldari State
#88 - 2012-01-14 07:47:57 UTC
Zarcan wrote:
My God, you're arrogant.


Have you come to expect humility from anyone here on the EVE forums?

Let's see, you're a mission runner flying a ship he can't afford to lose, you fell for an elementary scam (regardless of the functionality of the trade window), and you started a thread on the forums to complain about it. If that's not an old classic I've seen dozens of times before, I don't know what is.

A few years ago, I swear people would've eaten you alive. I think this game is going soft.

Even the smallest amount of research or discussion with seasoned pilots would have prevented you from embarking down that path of disaster. I may be arrogant, but hopefully my hurting of your feelings will help you to remember to do your damned research from now on.

"The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community." — EVElopedia
Zarcan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-01-14 07:57:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarcan
Ursula LeGuinn wrote:
Zarcan wrote:
My God, you're arrogant.


Have you come to expect humility from anyone here on the EVE forums?

Let's see, you're a mission runner flying a ship he can't afford to lose, you fell for an elementary scam (regardless of the functionality of the trade window), and you started a thread on the forums to complain about it. If that's not an old classic I've seen dozens of times before, I don't know what is.

A few years ago, I swear people would've eaten you alive. I think this game is going soft.

Even the smallest amount of research or discussion with seasoned pilots would have prevented you from embarking down that path of disaster. I may be arrogant, but hopefully my hurting of your feelings will help you to remember to do your damned research from now on.


I'm just absolutely astounded that you're really taking this much time and effort into deliberately being such a tool after this whole thing has already been taken care of.

You don't like that I do missions? Cry moar.
I was around 4 years ago, tool. The playerbase was much more conducive to new players back then, not the opposite.
Finally, pardon me for not googling "IS THE TRADE WINDOW FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWWED IN EVE ONLINE."

Go to bed, no one's listening to your pedantic rants about this video game.
Ursula LeGuinn
Perkone
Caldari State
#90 - 2012-01-14 08:06:23 UTC
Zarcan wrote:
I'm just absolutely astounded that you're really taking this much time and effort into deliberately being such a tool after this whole thing has already been taken care of.


It hasn't been taken care of. You need to get a damned clue about how to survive in this game. The loss or reimbursement of assets is completely beside the point.

Ursula LeGuinn wrote:
I was around 4 years ago, tool. The playerbase was much more conducive to new players back then, not the opposite.


Four years ago? Did you actually complete the tutorial?

Stay mad. Get motivated. Then climb in a ship and come shoot me full of humility. I want you to keep playing and to learn the lessons you need to learn along the way.

"The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community." — EVElopedia
Zarcan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#91 - 2012-01-14 08:08:22 UTC
Ursula LeGuinn wrote:
Zarcan wrote:
I'm just absolutely astounded that you're really taking this much time and effort into deliberately being such a tool after this whole thing has already been taken care of.


It hasn't been taken care of. You need to get a damned clue about how to survive in this game. The loss or reimbursement of assets is completely beside the point.

Ursula LeGuinn wrote:
I was around 4 years ago, tool. The playerbase was much more conducive to new players back then, not the opposite.


Four years ago? Did you actually complete the tutorial?

Stay mad. Get motivated. Then climb in a ship and come shoot me full of humility. I want you to keep playing and to learn the lessons you need to learn along the way.


You ever consider getting that perspective for real life?
Brock Nelson
#92 - 2012-01-14 08:14:02 UTC
Zarcan wrote:
Considering that that ship was my largest asset


Zarcan wrote:
That ship is worth 1/3 of my savings in the game


Zarcan wrote:
Zarcan > How about that Dominix? You know, that one that represents 1/2 of my capital in EVE


Zarcan wrote:
I had enough intelligence to not allow you to scam me out of 300mil


So..what is it? Either that ship is 1/3 of your wealth or 1/2 or is worth 300m? I never heard of a rigged Domi being valued at 300m unless it was faction fitted.

Knowing 1-Up Mushroom, 50m is chump change for him, I think he's just hoping to get you to shut up and move on

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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#93 - 2012-01-14 08:24:35 UTC
Frankly only thing wrong here in this thread is how buggy the trade window mechanic is.

First of all I'm not sure you can even change window contents fast enough after other side has clicked accept with using exploits or what ever but doesn't other side has to accept the new changes made on other side as well after clicking accept ?

Or what ever, lesson is: never use the trade window. Besides 95mils is like what 3-4x lvl 4 missions, hardly an insurmountable loss.
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-01-14 08:28:45 UTC
Zarcan wrote:
I was around 4 years ago, tool.


And yet you still fail to grasp the basic nature of Eve Online and a large portion of your personal wealth existed in the form of a single, badly fit, highsec-mission-running Dominix. Please, continue to dazzle us with your incredible wit and charm, while you tell us about unhono(u)rable spaceship thugs that should be banned from a game whose most recognized symbol is a learning curve that is a cliff strewn with corpses. Please do. Seriously.
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2012-01-14 08:37:01 UTC
Looks like the OP has a pretty bad case of being a whiny little *****. I recommend a good dose of the following medication.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2012-01-14 08:46:50 UTC
Well, that's mighty generous of 1-Up Mushroom. If he actually posts in this thread, I'll give him a gratuitous like.
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
#97 - 2012-01-14 08:47:21 UTC
Zarcan wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Zarcan wrote:
The fault of the decent into a state of tyranny rests on the shoulders of the apathetic.

…except that scamming is explicitly and purposefully allowed by the game designers. Its existence has nothing to do with apathy.





... and why the hell would we as a playerbase tolerate that?


Because its awesome.

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#98 - 2012-01-14 09:17:17 UTC
OP, you come across as a whiny so-and-so. Regardless of any particular merits your case may have, I'm just going to go ahead and say that you deserve to be scammed.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2012-01-14 09:34:13 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
OP, you come across as a whiny so-and-so. Regardless of any particular merits your case may have, I'm just going to go ahead and say that you deserve to be scammed.


Heh.

I'm quitting Eve and looking to give away all of my isk by buying pieces of trit for 300 mil each. Interested, OP? I'll send you a private contract if you are.
Julyan Fox
The crossroad Co.
#100 - 2012-01-14 10:05:08 UTC
If OP got scammed because of poor coding I also find a GM should step in and revert the transactions.

Hell this game is almost 10 years old, it's about time to end the beta and work on those kind of details.

CCP do you want to entertain your playerbase or **** them? Scamming is a good thing for this game, but it should be subtle and clever, not some kind of stupid exploit any uneducated kids can pull out by messing with a clunky UI.