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Scammed, and not sure how.

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Cryten Jones
Advantage Inc
The Matari Consortium
#41 - 2012-01-14 00:12:42 UTC
Sigh... There was some sympathy at the start of the thread. shame you went a ruined it really.... grow up mate, it's a game.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#42 - 2012-01-14 00:14:28 UTC
Zarcan wrote:
The risk, indeed, should be CCP catching them and banning them.
For what?

Do you also propose that CCP should start catching you and banning you for shooting those Guristas?
Zarcan
GeoCorp.
Evictus.
#43 - 2012-01-14 00:14:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarcan
Cryten Jones wrote:
Sigh... There was some sympathy at the start of the thread. shame you went a ruined it really.... grow up mate, it's a game.



God forbid I'm a high-sec player.


Tippia wrote:
Zarcan wrote:
The risk, indeed, should be CCP catching them and banning them.
For what?

Do you also propose that CCP should start catching you and banning you for shooting those Guristas?


For what? Really? Do I have to spell out that scamming players out of ISK, which is transferable to game time, is the same thing as scamming people out of real money? A dishonest method of gameplay that CCP only endorses because it brings them more money?
Morganta
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
#44 - 2012-01-14 00:15:45 UTC
Zarcan wrote:
Cryten Jones wrote:
Sigh... There was some sympathy at the start of the thread. shame you went a ruined it really.... grow up mate, it's a game.


I'm a high-sec player.


and that is why you fail
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#45 - 2012-01-14 00:18:15 UTC
Zarcan wrote:
For what? Really? Do I have to spell out that scamming players out of ISK, which is transferable to game time, is the same thing as scamming people out of real money?
Except that it's not. Well, unless you're an ISK seller… in which case they most certainly should ban you, not the scammer.

Scamming is legitimate gameplay. Why would they ban people for playing the game?
Zarcan
GeoCorp.
Evictus.
#46 - 2012-01-14 00:20:29 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Zarcan wrote:
For what? Really? Do I have to spell out that scamming players out of ISK, which is transferable to game time, is the same thing as scamming people out of real money?
Except that it's not. Well, unless you're an ISK seller… in which case they most certainly should ban you, not the scammer.

Scamming is legitimate gameplay. Why would they ban people for playing the game?


CCP decides what is legitimate and what isn't. If you really want to put your energy into defending scammers, all the more power to you.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#47 - 2012-01-14 00:22:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Zarcan wrote:
CCP decides what is legitimate and what isn't.
…and they've decided that scamming is legitimate. So you can stop with the “ban them” nonsense.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-01-14 00:24:04 UTC
[/quote]The risk, indeed, should be CCP catching them and banning them.[/quote]


No, scamming is legitimate gameplay mechanic. I'm more concerned about the trade window interface being buggy, and being scammed due to lag...thats just dumb. Scamming in and of itself is fine. Scams that you cant avoid becasue of bad interface design/buggy interface is wrong. Thats not a players fauly. That's CCP's fault.

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non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#49 - 2012-01-14 00:27:58 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
Mekki Muvila wrote:
Zarcan wrote:
Mekki Muvila wrote:
Your Domi fit sucks anyway


The Guristas disagree.


The Guristas are ********.

You combine buffer and active tanks, you use a mag stab on a ship where your DPS comes from drones.... it doesn't take much to make a Domi invincible in L4s, but it takes some intelligence to fit it properly. No wonder you're so broke for such an old player, it takes you ages to do the simplest of L4s, and its mind numbingly boring to do it.

I don't know many people who only have an armor buffer tank for missions (unless they use rr). There is nothing wrong with putting on some buffer on an active tank when doing missions. Also not all the dps comes from drones with a Domi. A Domi has 6 turrets, not just 6 highslots, why wouldn't you use them? People who use a neut domi in pvp might think that drones are the only dps.

Edit: on the main topic: Not much in the game that is as dodgy as the trade window. Never stop a contract to do a trade window with a stranger.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#50 - 2012-01-14 00:29:05 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Zarcan wrote:
CCP decides what is legitimate and what isn't.
…and they've decided that scamming is legitimate. So you can stop with the “ban them” nonsense.


This. Scams are just another part of EVE. I know all the good scams of course and can tell anyone who wants to throw a few million my way. Roll

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com

Zarcan
GeoCorp.
Evictus.
#51 - 2012-01-14 00:31:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarcan
I'm just really surprised that you all feel that way.

I guess this is another issue however, the trade window is the culprit.

If the right DEV happens to read this, the petition is filed, please get back to me.
Cryten Jones
Advantage Inc
The Matari Consortium
#52 - 2012-01-14 00:32:31 UTC
Zarcan wrote:
Cryten Jones wrote:
Sigh... There was some sympathy at the start of the thread. shame you went a ruined it really.... grow up mate, it's a game.



God forbid I'm a high-sec player.




Mate.. your play style is not the issue here! I spent at least half of my time in EvE in hisec. Nothing wrong with it if that's what you enjoy as...guess what... IT'S A GAME.

Seriously, if you want safe fun EvE is not for you, please understand I am not been an ass about it... just after 7+ years I can tell you this will not be the last time you loose a crap load and definitely not the last time you will feel violated by the loss.

-CJ


gfldex
#53 - 2012-01-14 00:42:44 UTC
If believe you got hit by a bug file a bug report. If that bug is confirmed (that bug is very very old btw) you refere to it in your petition. Whining about a bug on the forum that was exploited will and always has spawn trolls. It never spawned devs.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Morganta
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
#54 - 2012-01-14 00:45:18 UTC
its too easy to scam people in eve
it's like they want to be scammed

try selling a few rifter fleet issues in contracts Roll
Zarcan
GeoCorp.
Evictus.
#55 - 2012-01-14 00:45:56 UTC
gfldex wrote:
If believe you got hit by a bug file a bug report. If that bug is confirmed (that bug is very very old btw) you refere to it in your petition. Whining about a bug on the forum that was exploited will and always has spawn trolls. It never spawned devs.


Thank you for the reply.
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2012-01-14 00:46:35 UTC
scams are a part of the game, as long as the scammer isn't taking advantage of a bug. deal with it. it's just another form of PvP.

what's next, do you want suicide gankers to be banned? you're hilarious

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Lord Wiggin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-01-14 00:56:13 UTC
This is Eve, Scamming is not just allowed, but even encourged in certain ways.
It's unfortunate that you did get scammed, and it would be nice if CCP actually made a decent trade interface, but that is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
I would have to guess that this happens to a large majority of players in this game, hopefully it doesn't ruin you, and you move on.
About the only angle I could see you having on a petition is that the guy is using Jita lag as an exploit, possible, but i'm guessing a long shot without screenshots to back it up.

Zleon Leigh
#58 - 2012-01-14 01:56:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Zleon Leigh
Andski wrote:
scams are a part of the game, as long as the scammer isn't taking advantage of a bug. deal with it. it's just another form of PvP.

what's next, do you want suicide gankers to be banned? you're hilarious



Suicide gankers encounter risk/reward. No balance at all in scamming - it's win for them and loose on so many fronts it's almost impossible to count for us.

Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day

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Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#59 - 2012-01-14 02:14:59 UTC
Zarcan wrote:
I'm just really surprised that you all feel that way.

I guess this is another issue however, the trade window is the culprit.

If the right DEV happens to read this, the petition is filed, please get back to me.


A worthy workman never blames his tools.

Use a contract next time, and move on. Chalk it to a learning experience of something you should have learned within a month of playing, let alone 4 yrs.. Oops
Kehro Urgus
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
#60 - 2012-01-14 02:20:48 UTC
For the size of the loss I don't see why all this melodrama...

Yeeee!