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Absolutely.
They are ruining the game, one feature at a time. And every time they use this excuse like yours. "We made some creepy sucker punch, but the sky didn't fall. Let's do it again!"
But finally, a straw will break the camel's back.

because you dont have to do missions to buy sp , you have to do missions to do extra sp, is it really that difficult to see your comparisons as 2 completely different things?

I told you guys it won't end with SP trading...
That Rise sentence shows how valuable is our feedback and their promises.

I am SORRY to say this, CCP Rise. But you really are a LIAR.

SP trading will do very little to recruit new players because they were not the target of the feature. Instead completely revamp whole XP system idea they add 1 item they can made RL money on. So it's not all customers (or all if they spend RL money...).

Not to mention players can make ISK without effort and risk by SP farms.
20 mil for 1,5 minute of work doing dailies. Soooo hardcore game.

No they won't. Now they will be generated separately by doing dailies.

Edit: and don't worry until SP farms are profitable there won't be any deficiency of product.

I've spoken my mind in other foras, so eveo should know aswell.

My version of eve is one that:

I log in and would stay hours and hours, same as I would be away for days, even weeks

Having a game that made me have to be online every 22h not to loose out feels like a chore, not gaming for fun which is core of eve to me.

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This idea seems kind of desperate, and half arsed way of ramming down your idea of eve down the payers throats. Rather then your usuall, lets give em this to chew on update.


Pros:
You get players to undock (If they want the 15-17% added sp trained for the day)
New players do get an even larger bonus to sp to start with...

Cons:
Players have to be awake ever 22h to make the most of bonus(Forcing the most hardcore to be up at every hour of the day ^^ )
Changing eve to forced gameplay (even worse then grinding isk imho)
Even more "free" SP (This might be a pro aswell, jury is still out since the injector messs )

This is taking for granted that nothing ever change which in a MMO is kind of silly to expect. What is true on day X can always be false later on. His quote was not a lie when it was made and won't be at least until the point where someone finish an opportunity and put the resulting SP into an extractor. If he knew or not that opportunity were coming and would reward SP is up to debate but unless we know he knew about it, calling him a liar would label devs from pretty much every MMO liars too.

"Player driven economies are ***KEY*** to EVE design and we want ***YOU TO DECIDE*** the value of traded skillpoints while we make sure there is ***ONE SINGLE MECHANISM*** that brings new skillpoints in to the system – ***TRAINING***."

Doing something that goes against a KEY EVE design and breaking mechanics that made this game successful for 13 years is indefensible. Doing the exact opposite of what is a promise for 13 years makes you a liar. You can spin it all day, we can see through it.

As a potential returning player this topic has me very interested in seeing how things turn out. I have been going back and forth on both sides of the argument but I feel as most of these arguments are invalid. Let’s start with CCP Rise.



That’s great and we appreciate you realize that time is somewhat limited and you don't want us to feel as though this has to be completed but your contradicting your motives for implementing this feature in your opening paragraph.



Basically you’re saying the more logins you see, the more content that derives from them. Obviously that is true and I do agree but what do you consider actual activity in the universe? Logging in on a lunch break and killing a rat might be activity but what does it offer to the universe? There is no risk associated with this, no real personal investment, and no explanation for doing so other than get some fee SP. The people you are targeting this towards won't create your so called "real activity".

Now on the other side of the fence the people who say dailies ruin all games need to step back and take a look at the motive for those dailies. Most dailies are done to gain a special currency or specific item/reputation etc. It's not the daily in itself that ruins the game, it is the reward for said daily. As everyone knows Eve doesn't follow the same concept as your traditional theme park MMO. It is an open world sandbox and you play the way you want but it revolves solely around one forum of currency, ISK. Yes there is LP and what not but it’s mainly ISK. Now I am not disagreeing with most of you on the SP reward. I feel as though SP should never be the reward to entice players to play the game. That is too strong of reward that most people will not ignore no matter how you look at it. Back to CCP Rise:



As most of you have stated SP = ISK, ISK = SP with the introduction of Skill Injectors/Extractors, and as most have compared the numbers it roughly equals around 13mil ISK for 10k SP. Honestly it is not that much to break the bank or crash the market but 10 - 15 mil ISK reward is enough for a newbie to buy some nice things. Think about 10 - 15 mil once a day over a week, that’s enough for me not to care if I lose one or two ships in some "real activity". Now back to "real activity", lets reward players for doing what they enjoy doing instead of forcing them to do something you think is "real activity" when in fact it’s just artificial login numbers. Why not introduce a type of reward system for those who are logged in for longer than 10 mins as well as those who only have a few mins? How about rewards for those who complete difficult objectives? This is a game built around social gameplay, so let’s reward those who contribute whether it’s in group PVP or Incursions.

In my opinion the best way to introduce a type of daily is to incentivize players to play the way they normally would without interfering with traditional gameplay. Also introduce other styles of play without the player feeling left behind if they are not completed. Here are a few examples:

Missions - Daily
- Reward for 1st mission completed each day
- Reward increases depending on agent lvl and security space
- Flat reward for all missions depending on agent lvl and space, i.e.: lvl4 encounter pays equal to lvl 4 mining, lvl2 mining pays equal to lvl2 trade.

Incursions - Weekly
- Reward for completion of 1st incursion during the week

PVP - Daily - Weekly
- Reward for 1st kill of another player (being on the kill mail) each day
- Reward for killing x amount of players a week

This is something you can extend to all "real activities" in Eve, marketing, exploration, production, etc. Balance it so the reward fits the risk and that the reward is for the individual and not shared. Create the system where the PVE Carebare will not sweat that he/she doesn't receive 10mil isk for not killing another player but that the Null Sec Pirate gets a reward for participating in killing 100 players a week, which creates your "real activity". This also helps those time limited people you’re trying to get to log in by letting them get on and do what they want. Lastly this will/can create more content by expanding rewards to large scale activities like incursions, or mass pvp battles which could draw others into trying these activities.