EVE General Discussion

There really isn't. Ganks are generally successful, but that is largely by virtue of the gankers doing a fine job in selecting incompetently piloted ships for their targets.

That aside, disruptors are rarely a factor in high-sec ganking. The limited timeframe granted by CONCORD response makes it a high alpha/burst-centric operation. Most ships will be dead before they could have gotten into warp anyway.

If it were as easy as you would like to pretend, you'd likely get out there and snag some of that easy money instead of crying about it interminably. ;)

Ganking takes no skill at all.

Actually, many vs. 1 PVP takes no skill at all.

Actually, even with 1 vs. 1, or many vs. many PVP, the fight takes no skill at all; EVE ships are designed rock/paper/scissors from the undock, and there's nothing your paper can do to the scissors. Just like with chess, if you're in the wrong position, you're done; there's nothing you can do to save your pawn, queen, w/e. Unless the opponent makes rookie mistakes.

So the point is that all of us min-max our ships to kill by overwhelming force, not by a narrow margin or "skill," but "the enemy had no chance at all." It's the way war is. And thus, the decision to engage or run is instantaneous, as soon as you see what's on overview.

So why single out suicide ganking? Yeah they min-max for the kill, and only attack targets that are min-maxed for profit or mining yield or whatever. Otherwise they run, like the rest of the PVP playerbase, if a bigger group or a pvp-fitted group attacks them.

It's not a guilty little secret, and it's also not in need of being adjusted, as it doesn't use different rules of engagement than the rest of the PVP game. The only way to win a suicide gank if you're the transport or the miner, is to avoid it, and I'd argue that there's enough info presented via the map and the local channel lists to permit that.

Yeah...can't resist the typical response...nothing more to say so "crying" about it becomes the "player generated content". Don't these people know there's thousands of them out there turning themselves into walking cliches? Well. Maybe that's just a bit too complicated for some folks to grasp...like the "other" things this game has to offer.

Or...maybe....if his "peers" see the word "crying" they won't have to read the horrible words I wrote that made him go into this fit of cliche repetition in the first place! Maybe...."other people" will see his trip word and think, "Gee, you know since he's so internet savvy, and he said 'crying', all that text probably isn't worth reading. Let's assume he read it for us and ... and ...."

Yeah.

It's interesting we'd go the whole thread and all people do is talk about points.

No interest in the other points in the subject? Still plenty of opportunity to flame me for thinking about changing PVE. I'm sure there's fire aplenty somewhere for all my heresy that'll never get implemented and wasn't even a request for change.

But. Points. That was the whole message.

Confirming you've been utterly obliterated as far as points are concerned, let's see, PVE would be better if you had to commit to it? If you leave the anom/plex/belt whatever you lose what you were in space to hav a chance at? That already exists in a way, with finer points to stop people cloaky camping some sites.
Wait are you saying you would like people to be able to opt out of combat at any time, but have to commit to PVE?
You do understand that PVE content turns players into PVP content, right?

Edit: Just re-read OP. More than one mention of CONCORD, suggestion that the game would be better if helpless transports couldn't be destroyed in favor of "raiding"whatever the hell that is. All this after loss of a shitfit helpless transport gets killed due to the OP being plain bad at EVE.
I'm sorry sir, i don't think this thread has much to contribute other than you get nuked repeatedly.

In the words of the ancient troglodyte, "Don't flatter yourself."

I will now point out that according to the largest survey ever done on freighters you stand a less than 0.1% chance of getting ganked over 2.7 million gate jumps in highsec.

I am. Not computer games though. Published and everything. I'd link to it, but I'm so disenchanted with the hostility and shallowness of the discourse that I can only believe people would out of spite trash my other arts. And what good would that do?

Look at you here? All anger and spite, flaming some stranger on the net. This encourages a belief in discourse?



I've said it before. In this thread. I lose things all the time. I don't care. I'm not even upset about losses. I frequently take risks. I don't find them bothersome... this is my main. Go look it up, killboard worshipper. I owned that Lachesis for 30 minutes, 230M down the drain just to test out recons.

See that's what's wrong here. Instead of talking, I'm written off. You assume that since you'd be upset if you lost isk, I must be too. And when I'm not, it's just confusing...

And you don't have time to be confused. Or learn. Or consider. Just flame and move on.

My thinking went like this;

* Got a lot of junk to haul back to hub, but it's late and not a lot of time
* Fit a Nereus with junk I have laying around to pick up my empty beer cans over 12 systems Fit is similar to fit I use in a Helios to escape decloaking solo ambushers in data and relic sites... not gonna survive a gate camp. And weejend night, so gate camp is likely... but no worries, its not stuff I need or care about.

* Notices 2 flashing red on local. Common for people to lay traps in pipes as I'm moving through. Maybe there's two. Two would likely have maybe 3 points between them. I got 3 stabs. I'll make it. And if not, I don't need this stuff.

* Jump... 5 guys. Well I'm toast. Burn back to gate? Won't make it. Guess I take my medicine... Perhaps I'll try to dump my cargo and these guys can have it. Too bad there's no piracy in the game; they'll not talk so a fun social arrangement will not happen...

"Odd. Who sits on a gate? Why? For money? I suppose that was good payout for them. What a yawdry way to make profits. I could have gotten away if I cared. Different fit, different path, different time..."

"Their game play depends on points. If I had a way to move away, they'd get nothing. Would there even be camps - a play style that seems to me unfun - if that was true? How would they play? What would it be like? How would the game empower their play style, a different play style?"

See I don't care. Its just a game.