EVE General Discussion

Your "simple principle" is either not simple or not true. I'll explain why with an analogy that I know you've heard before because you really need to understand this before anyone ever lets you get near a management position.

Let's say your project is to make a baby. It takes one woman 9 months to make a baby under ideal circumstances. According to the simple (read: false) principle, if you put 9 women to the task of making a baby, then you should have a baby in 1 month, right?
(In case you don't know, the answer to that is no. Not right.)

The blind application of your "simple principle" ends in a result that is entirely unpredictable. You might end up with 9 different babies. You might end up with none. It depends on how many of the women actually want to have a baby and how many just want to f*** around. Even if the stars align perfectly, you are 8 months behind schedule because you didn't understand the nature of the task, you didn't understand how to appropriately manage the team, everyone hates you because you promised a miracle that didn't happen, and--to top it all off--now you have 9 babies to take care of instead of 1.


*********************

The complicated version of your principle is that more people can be faster than one person in the sense that some concepts are too large in scope for a single person to track. There's more information that's more specialized than any single person can deal with effectively. In that sense, a group is as much faster than a single person as something eventually happening is faster than something never happening.

If I understand what Nana is saying, I think it's this: WiS is the complicated/true version of your principle, not the simple/false version. WiS needs a dedicated team for some time. It's not one dev here and there, and one designer here or there. It's a big challenge that needs front and backend devs, designers, management, leadership, and probably some people I'm forgetting. Accounting and Legal could probably just drop in. I could see it needing a dedicated team of 12 easily. I don't know the internal politics of CCP. It could be more. Probably not less.

It's not the point that having that many people makes it happen reasonably fast. Or faster than if it were just one or two people. It's that having that many people is the difference between it happening at all instead of never.


P.S.
While we're all aware that dev work is sometimes split in the ways you are talking about, that is by no means the only way to divide labor in dev work. Some people can concentrate on a hard problem for more than 8 hours at a time. Indeed, some problems are so difficult they require it.

P.P.S.
There are also situations where one person is incredibly faster than 16. One person, doing what he or she is best at, can be 16x as fast as a team of 16 people working on the same thing. Because one person working alone doesn't have to waste time dealing with people who are not domain experts, building consensus, or negotiating with stakeholders.

So your simple principle is wrong on both ends. Just FYI.

Ironically this thread is now about an abandoned feature. True enough that it's hard to rationalise but yeah - someone approved this idea misguided or not.

I personally would like to see it but perhaps just for xl citadels as those will be relatively few in number and have the highest populations. As for npc stations etc there's just no point as the technical hurdles wouldn't justify the payoff.

xl citadels as those will be relatively few in number ...
same was said about Titans

Time will tell

Oh, my bad. Apparently you think putting rockets in space is easy! Hell for those who actually want to have a practical conversation about making it happen! Damned overcomplications that people keep bringing up about the realities of how difficult things really are.

Too bad you stopped reading. You might have learned something. But that wouldn't be very much like you, now would it?

Or when it appears that someone doesn't understand you, you might question your opinions and gather new facts.

Humility. Check it out some time.

What is there to understand in first place? Everyone should get it, its simple. You give one man a chair and deask, and he magically makes WIS happen. Wait, he doesnt have some kind of magic lamp. Read it to the end.

Seriously, when You want to strain development time, basically giving the job to the one worker, he would need to make lengthy instructions whats done and whats not, for the next one. But that is not everything:

Situation (a): You have 16 people on team 1, they all work simultanously, communicating when they need. All are working at 100% speed. They would demand 100% salary. They end project in one year, you can start earning money after one year. 3 072 000 $ all salaries. You can start profiting after one year.

Situation (b): You have 16 people and they all work on the same stuff, but one at a time, for 8 years, Every guy should work with a 200% speed with that timespan, comunication is impaired. You need to pay their salaries, one man at a time, they would demand 200% salary for 200% work speed. After 8 years project is completed and you can start earning money. 3 072 000 $ all salaries, you can start profiting after 8 years.

Situation (c): "Simple" soulution when someone is working on the feature himself, doesnt get money for it, and cuts his veins because he cant affor to pay the rent after few months. Everyone around is thinking: "Why? That was really simple", because he have done that himself and everyone else did not get an idea how hard it was.

Q: What situation is better for the team and for the company?

Um, I hate to break it to you and your friends, but EVE isn't every other MMO out there. Your ship is your avatar.

The space game is the developmental focus for a number of reasons, not the least of which was Incarna, but also because you're asking for something that would take from the development time of the spaceship game, which is what the majority of players are here for. This is advertised as a spaceship game, and I cannot understand why people come here demanding it 'adapt' to their needs when their needs are filled just fine by a thousand other games.

If you think 'explosions in space' is the only development that will suffer, think again. But I'm detecting some hyperbole on that one.

As I've said before, WiS would be fine if it 1. does not detract from development time of the spaceships game, and 2. we're not all forced to use it, meaning it would have to be its own game with its own client, not bloating my client with stuff that I will simply never ever use.

Except that he and the others who are putting in some time are not making WiS from scratch.

They have a code base. EVE's WiS + Dust to copy, paste and alter. Not such a big job as before.

Fact = there are alot of people who like the idea of multiple avatar interaction WIS.

Fact = It would bring new people into the game

Also Fact = CCP can't build multiple avatar WIS into the game.. technically they cant do it. They tried and after a huge amount of development and cost all they were able to do was a single avatar room that in the initial release overheated peoples graphics cards.


What they could do.... and I would be happy with this.

Expand on the single room.

- Add fish-tanks, stripper poles etc for purchase

- Add a in character tv news show to the CQ screens talking about latest SOV politics / battles, big ganks, Economy, high sec / low sec / null / wh news, how to find a corp etc etc. Would help new/old players get excited about new possibilities.

- Add trophies on wall which are displayed for x number of PVE / PVP kills / Missions Run

- Add display cabinet or pedestals for heads of a limited amount of podded enemy's with small plaque showing info on the battle. (player to select which pod kills were significant enough to display)


CQ could be a great way for players to memorialize their eve experience, have a memento of their greatest triumphs.

All above = no large time/ money sink and technically unfeasible (for eve code) multiple avatar interaction.