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One question -
Can I extract 5SP then hit accept - then scam someone with it?

Back on the first page of this threadnaught I posted my support for this new feature. In this post, I will attempt to state my reason why I support it.

Things I currently can do with real-world money (and without violating the EULA/TOS):

• Sub multiple accounts and multi-box them (but not input broadcast, of course.)
• Purchase PLEX/AUR, to be used directly or sell PLEX/AUR for ISK, then...
• purchase an officer fit Raven Navy.
• purchase a super capital pilot, or a boosting alt, or a Falcon alt, or a subcap combat pilot.
• purchase a Nyx or a Titan.
• purchase a thousand Atrons to welp over and over (I'm looking at you, watch yoself) (
• (new) purchase a Skill Injector item.
• purchase multi-pilot training.

To a certain extent, all of the above are pay-to-win. By spending real-world money, a player can acquire in-game abilities or items much faster than somebody who simply does a single sub or PLEXes a single account. But none of them are an "I win" button. They do not convey to the purchaser the skills to effectively use those purchased items or in-game abilities. They do not give the purchaser respect from other players such that they can lead an alliance, corp or fleet, or be a sought-after fleetmember. They do not give the purchaser the ability to fly a 300k EHP, 2k DPS, 4k m/s Vagabond. They do not break the game. Any of them, new or old. They do not drive away new players. They do not drive away old players.

When I first started playing nearly two years ago, I purchased two PLEX and sold them for ISK (about 650 million back then) and a multi-pilot training cert to have a market alt. By doing so, I did not "win" by any possible definition.

So that's why I think this is not a bad thing. But why is it a good thing?

I will use Skill Injectors when they become available, certainly. (The extent to which depends on the price.) I will use them on my main, which is this toon, to train any off-remap skills if I feel I need them. I will use them on my alt which recently started a long skill-plan. (I could pick up a character today from the bazaar that will do what I plan for my alt, but I have no interest in having a character I didn't start myself. Then end result will be the same either way - and again, neither are an "I win" button, regardless of whether I spend real-world money or in-game earned ISK to acquire them.) I do not mind spending my in-game/real-world funds on items that provide me with a richer, more varied game experience. The coolest thing about EVE, in my opinion, is that things are different every time I log on. Different hostiles visit our system in different ships. Different fleetmates are logged on with me. I can fly either an Atron or a Domi depending on what I'm looking to accomplish. At some point, I'd also like the ability to choose between, for example a Domi and an Apoc - again not so that I'll have any increased ability to win any engagement (that has more to do with my knowledge of tactics, my situational awareness, and my ability to ruse my opponent,) but to offer up different kinds of engagements I can participate in.

I think Vets got the short end of the stick with this one - I would also like to see a skills re-mapper.

Maybe a whole character re-map like the attributes remap or maybe something like the extractor where you could store 20million SP before putting them BACK into whatever skills you want.

I thought long and hard about this, and I only really found two reasons I would personally consider doing this.
#1, close the character bazaar to stop name/reputation recycling.
#2, a step in a transition to a free to play business model, which is now the dominant business model in the MMO market, and may make you feel left behind.

Instead of repeating that this is not a good idea, and a risky very unpopular one, or think you suddenly started disliking scammers,
I'm just going assume it's #2


Therefore, I'm going to suggest, this system of yours needs some sort of limit, based on time, say, having a cap on skillpoints people are allowed to add to a character, based on either char age, time since the system was introduced, or preferably a combination of those two.

This would enable the free to play business model transition, while also preventing rich(either RL or ingame) players from simply buying themselves god level characters, As well as preventing alliances with more money than things to spend money on, from turning their key players into god level chars.
You know that will happen with no limit, especially during tournament season. it's just a question of who will do it first.

Also, would you actually want people to buy themselves god characters, and then get bored and leave?

In an MMO, even in a free to play one, one of the main things you want as a developer, is keeping people around.
A player that got everything he wanted immediately, has no goals, gets bored, and leaves, instead of staying as a paying repeat customer.
Every single MMO I played, even ones that let you pay for power, had some system to cap player progression, to prevent them from speeding through content too fast.
Eve's skillpoint system, akin to levelling in other games, always acted as a power cap, limited by time.
And no, the caracter bazaar dosnt quite count as an exception, talking to people ingame reveals that only a small minority knows it even exists, skill point packs will be noticed by EVERYONE.
Plus the char bazaar loses you your reputation, for better or worse, and for many players, sense of self.
Buying skillpoints directly bypasses all of those mental checkpoints.


I would add a time based "skill point injection allowance", rather than any currently suggested system limitation, though perhaps a combination wouldn't be a bad thing.

Please dont turn eve online into a pure "pay for power" style game.
That stuff cant end well.

but if you run a MMO this is exactly what you do want to do - generate a revenue stream for player progression by selling the path to the end game.

The bored and leave part or churn rate is handled via content release - Blizzard does this really well with the regular introduction of new content to keep their God Toon owners happy. (They also have an income stream from vanity items)

From the devblog: "We weren’t sure exactly what to expect but it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that you’re also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players or give you more freedom with your own characters. After going through a lot of feedback while refining the design, I am now here to announce that we will be adding Skill Trading to New Eden and it is currently scheduled for our February release."

I feel this is disingenuous. I read the comments to the previous devblog and have also been watching the playerbase attitude toward this topic on other threads. The general consensus seems to be at least slightly more opposed than supportive.

Beat me to it, this needs to be a thing

What price will Skill Extractor have in AUR... if to big it wont be to popular ?

It is the last relevant question.

Any debate before the answer is completly irrelevant (if we ignore the bittervet ocean of tears).

If the goal is to help newbros, the AUR price must be low. If the price is too high, it will only help rich people (irl) and rich people (ig) to build insta-alts.

500K sp is 8 days of training for a x1 skill. It is litterally nothing. If the base cost is something like 200m (after AUR conversion), the base price for 500K sp will be 200m + 1/4 PLEX (around).

So actually it will be something like 450/500m.

2b for a full month of insta training (2m sp).

Is this will help newbros ?

Looking at your self-botting XP bar at it fills up to the right in this de-facto pay2pointlessly_wait game is the "heart of the game" for you and "the remaining sense of achievment"?

In this game ?

Are you even for real ?



To play the ******* game and do what it offers that you like, whatever that would be for you ? SP is a stupid timewall serving no purpose whatsoever. Besides making you wait for the sake of waiting - far too long for some things than the others.