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More money under the cover of helping new players instead changing old, outdated xp gaining system.
If I was a new player skill packets will drive me away from the game rather than encourage to play.
Why dimnish return at all? You already screwing vets with it, rellocating SP is useless on their high SP characters ( I don't mean creating alts here). If bringing more players with easy access to SP is healthy for the game let the credit cards decide, it all about money. Vets, what vets? If vets get more ppl to play with, it's good right? More money for you, more players on-line, win-win. I finally get what MMOG stands for: Microtransactions Multiplayer Online Game. In case of EvE hard to talk about Massive.

So this not a done deal that wasn't a done deal, looks to be a done deal. Good job.

I would have liked to have seen your explanation, but it seems you don't have one, so we'll leave it there.

Of course the character bazaar is also PTW, but at least with the bazaar, the consequences are built into the system. You cannot order a custom character with the details you would prefer but instead are forced to purchase a used car. You get everything associated with that used character - it's name, employment history, contract history etc - which, for now at least, you cannot change. (Coming soon: Name change for aurum.) There has been nothing introduced yet that would allow players to buy SP in this way - consequence free - to upgrade their existing characters. Comparisons between SP-trading & the bazaar are either misguided or deliberately obtuse.

How is it more pay-to-win than purchasing a character? In the current scenario, I can sell one of my 2007 characters with 190m+ SP to someone willing to grind a ton of ISK or someone willing to buy a lot of PLEX. They instantly get a capable pilot which I spent years crafting. All that will cost me is one PLEX to transfer the character.

In the future, I could strip down all the SP from 190m+ SP to 5m SP and sell them to any number of players who want to grind for PLEX or pay for PLEX. That costs me however much AURUM (or ISK) to extract the skills. It costs them however much AURUM or ISK to inject them. How is that more pay-to-win than getting a 190m SP character?

The only thing CCP needs to tell us now is how much these extractors and injectors cost.

It didn't use to be, most of the trades were done through the acquisition of isk through endless hours of mining, missions, etc, till PLEX was introduced and P2W came a reality.

Guys, it is a new micro transaction, better than paying 20 USD or even more 20 Euro or much more for 2 PLEX for a transfer of a char.

Smaller micro transactions like this will be available for everybody and push CCPs wallet.

Accept it, they have to make profit, otherwise they will shut down the server and we will not see any new releases :)

Perhaps there is an alternative to diminishing returns based on current SP and the "instant alt" concerns.

How about a cool down on Injector/extractor use? Reduced efficiency if you've injected/extracted skills withing the last ~10 days or so. That way you have to wait between uses and you could choose to train a couple of new Neural Enhancement skills to manage the cooldown/efficiency of the injections and extractors, kinda like jump clones or jump fatigue.

Perhaps a step further, make several types of extractors based on skill types (attribute) with different tech levels tied to yet another Neural Enhancement skill or five.

Just thinking out loud...

Yes, but not yours. Buy a PLEX for ISK, redeem PLEX for 3,500 Aurum, buy with Aurum whatever that thing is going to be called. Or, you know, just buy it with ISK directly off the market. You do not have to spend real life money on this and throw the pay to win **** around when you actually know what the stuff is going to cost.

PLEX needs real life money to be bought. PLEX is sold for ISK, which can then be used to buy ships. Is that pay to win? How are the ships of someone that buys them with ISK he got from PLEX any different than the ships someone bought with ratted ISK?
When someone buys PLEX to buy officer modules for his ship, is that pay to win? By your logic, yes.
Do those officer modules teach that guy how to fly his ship? Will he win to someone with worse modules but the skill to actually fly his ship? No. He'll blow up every single ******* time.
So how can he pay to win, when he actually doesn't win? Can this really be called pay to win then?

SP doesn't teach monkeys how to fly their ships properly, so this can hardly be called pay to win. This new system does bring a few certain problems with it, but it's certainly nothing that will kill the game, nor change it all that much.

And now, HTFU.

Linus

Why would you want to remove them entirely? Its your character ofc. And if you want to throw away the skill, that's on you. But I don't see why you would throw away injected skills since you had to pay isk for the skillbook.

Perhaps a better option would be an option to hide skills with 0 SP? This should be unchecked by default imo.