EVE General Discussion

The recently announced SP changes should fuel this thread a bit more.

There it goes, that example of a failed personal worldview.

Opinions can be right or wrong. If you have the opinion that a certain course of action was the right way to go, and it turns out that that path lead to really bad consequences, that means the opinion was wrong and vice versa. This is why I mention naivety or malice, and you lack of wisdom. It's why you remain steadfast in your beliefs despite years of evidence that they don't work. Like seeing CCP try to do more coddling of new players but despite that, those new players have yet to materialize.

People who hold the belief you do only do so as a defense mechanism against painful reality. While it doesn't mean much when talking about a video game, that way of thinking is literally the reason the IRL world is screwed up.

There is no such thing, only opinions you agree or disagree with.

No, I don't. I don't even agree that there's been a net buff to mission runner safety. Anyone that knew what they were doing before was just as safe then as they are now. Effectively what you're complaining about is that they've tidied up some of the systems so newer players don't get caught out so easily first time round, that you actually have to put in some bloody effort, which I'm happy with.

To do the job well should take effort, it shouldn't just the "the way".

No matter what fit they have, they will still be the ones already being shot by NPCs, unless you're suggesting that when a hostile warps in the NPCs despawn and they get automatically repped to full. Making it easier to disrupt a mission as it stands now would simply mean the player has to evade, leading to the same lack of conflict problems plaguing null, and putting even more players off.

LOL! No, your problem is that people are using techniques to avoid being killed and you don't want them to have those. If it were mechanical, then they simply wouldn't be able to be ganked, yet freighters, miners and mission runners still die because they didn't choose to mitigate their risk properly. If anything the changes they've made simply offer more choice to be less protected and potentially earn more or be more protected and earn less. Again, the only people who are helped by default are newbies.

And mate, ganking is easy. It takes nearly no skillpoints, isk investment or even training. Hell I had a 10 day old alt blapping frigates on the Niarja gate with ships made from pocket change, and I risk what? A 1m isk thrasher. Ooh, scary. One half decent implant or blueprint drop and he's set for life. Stop pretending gankers have it tough you joker.

You want to know who has the raw deal? The AGs. They get nearly no reward, risk getting ganked themselves (usually in ships that actually cost isk) and have one hell of a time getting on grid during the 10 second window they have to stand a chance of stopping a gank.[/quote]

The Problem with Missions being done in other places than HighSec is that the population densetiy in 0.0 is only a fracture of HighSec and because of Gate Mechanics, Local Channel Mechanics and Intel Channels a lot of PvE Acitivity in 0.0 is SAFER than in HighSec. it just needs more effort and u need to be part of a big groupe.

I made billions in 0.0. My Aeon was paid half way by Moon Mining/Reactions (one of the most broken things in Eve to Date) and Ratting anomalies in the Time IT Alliance did hold Fountain. And i definatly had less risk there than i would have undocking in Jita with Cargo of any value or doing Missions in a 10 Billion ISK Marauder in a Mission Hub.

I was once caught during a wardec in a multi billion paladin in highsec (first itteration of the Paladin, no comparison to what we have today). My fault completly (i basicly asked for it).

So i had a PvE Ship in a PvP enviroemt. i even Managed to fight some of them off, but because i had a PvE fit i had no point so when the damage got to much they did run like cowards and when they realized they couldnt break me they came back with more.
Unfortunately for me my own reinforcement where unable to get to me in time and back than there where no KM if u selfdestruced, so i did it.

I would have gone down guns blazing, but my enemy refused to (as i said, their ships warped out instead of dying) so i choose to deny them the kill (which was possible back than and even no loot would drop).
I had the better ship (more tank), i had enough DPS to put up a fight yet i still had no chance because i was not prepared for a PvP fight.
A Ganker doesnt lose anything of value if he ganks because that los has allready been calculated in when he planed for it. And the consequences for ganking are vrtualy non exsistent.
Yet the Victim loses all. And sometimes this los can be crippeling. And there is no way to prevent a gank in Eve. U can just minimize the chance to be target. But if someone wants you dead *for the lulz* there is NO WAY to prevent that unless u know it in advance.
And that is the broken part of it.

I do to player characters what I want, as long as it fits the rules of the game. It's a game after all. I wouldn't go into a round of cards if I weren't willing to screw over my fellow players either - it's the point of most card games after all.

Eve is a competitive game, so you either learn how to play it, or you lose. This has nothing to do with how I act in real life. I like to think I am a fairly decent, upstanding and honest person. But if I play a game where I can burn other players meeples, I might do just that. Everyone else has the option not to play with me, and I won't force anyone.

So far, that's a thesis that may or may not hold it's water. I have another one: Eve would have died 10 years ago without the freedom to do all sorts of mean things to other players.

It's obvious, that currently, players are either leaving or not logging in anymore, kind of waiting for who knows what. No player I've been playing with in the past has left because of ganking, scamming, skullduggery of sorts though. Most just don't have anything left to do anymore at this point. The game has lost meaning to them, which may just be the the fate of any game one has been playing for too long.

EVE was growing at it fastest rate back when ganking was at its most violent.

Well, i have to admit that my view is biased, but:

From my personal experience and my personal friends (RL that played Eve) they left because of the ganking. Especially the industrialists. And not long aftet them the PvPers left as well because their friends left.

Because i and the others supplied the PvPers with Stuff, did logistics for them ( a personal Jump Freighter and enoug Cyno Alts to get almost anywhere without the help of others is VERY handy if u live in tha backwater of 0.0) and also simply keept them/us company.

I was on the edge of both worlds as on the one side enjoying mining stuff the producer used to build things with and on the other side in being a passionate capital pilot.

The joy of sitting in a kilometer long dreadnought with weapons bigger than most other starships in eve has something very unique to it. I have a thing for big ships ( Vaders Command Ship being one of the most impressive things i ever had seen as a kid and is still one of my favorite designs today).

The problem is after i did train for the Revelation i found out there was little to do with it (keep in mind i am longer around than Aporcypha, Wormwholes came where u could use them came LATER and i never truely got into wormhole life tbh.) If i want direct PvE i was more into Missions and later anomalies (but anomalies simply because of the money u could make, i prefer missions with a bit of a story and have to say i did read every mission at least once fully and loved it. i still chuckle when i get that mission where the agent complains about that guy who stole those important things and her/his lunch).

POS Shooting isnt the most enjoyable thing in eve either, not after the 1000 times u did it before.

If u did read the books in the lore such a dread carries an entire armada with support ships, etc. And it is sad that these things never got implemented into the game.

Edit: I give up on typos today, getting to late here and i am tired....

That armada of support vessels is supposed to be provided by other players, not NPCs. The tools are there, yet many refuse to use them.

You lament the lack of an armada of support ships for a Dreadnaught in one post, when presented with the solution you say in another post that you didn't want that armada of support ships anyway.

Which is it?

The lore is there to provide a background story, nothing more, nothing less; what you decide to do with it is entirely down to you.

So you have no proof then. Thanks for that information-gasm