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Dev blog: Skill trading in New Eden

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B0RG 0VERLORD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#141 - 2016-01-18 17:42:24 UTC
Captain Africa wrote:
B0RG 0VERLORD wrote:
Captain Africa wrote:
Look at the end of the day this is out of our hands...if CCP want to break their own sand castle who are we to argue...so go ahead ...just don't expect any sympathy when there are no more players left to pay the bills.
Quote:
I have 5 accounts each with way over 50 mil sp ...im just going to sell their skills off... make a **** ton of isk and keep my main.


now take that to the bank ...and decide how well you thought this through .



what can you say to a mentality of a potato

that statement will cost you a shitload



I dont expect you to get what Im saying ...fucken noob....

pretty sure i got it.same as others probably did too.sorry about the potato....plum

Does CCP mean crap coding people
Hendrink Collie
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#142 - 2016-01-18 17:42:41 UTC
Querns wrote:

Funny thing about that -- I was monitoring that thread. The opinion was, initially, full-on panic, until Elise Randolph posted about it. Then, everyone was okay with it.


Haha, yeah I remember that. Was hilarious how quickly the mood changes once Elise put his two cents in.

That being said, I was talking specifically about today's reaction, not when it was first thrown out. Smile
Captain Africa
GRIM MARCH
#143 - 2016-01-18 17:43:34 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Captain Africa wrote:
B0RG 0VERLORD wrote:
Captain Africa wrote:
Look at the end of the day this is out of our hands...if CCP want to break their own sand castle who are we to argue...so go ahead ...just don't expect any sympathy when there are no more players left to pay the bills. I have 5 accounts each with way over 50 mil sp ...im just going to sell their skills off... make a **** ton of isk and keep my main.

now take that to the bank ...and decide how well you thought this through .

what can you say to a mentality of a potato

that statement will cost you a shitload

I dont expect you to get what Im saying ...fucken noob....

Perhaps an SP injection would help.

Wait until Feb.


lol yea you can buy directly from me ....give you some discount perhaps..
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#144 - 2016-01-18 17:44:15 UTC
Alexxei wrote:
Valterra Craven wrote:
the major flaw with this idea is that I don't think that there is enough incentive for people to extract SP in the first place.

Sure there is. I have 140 million sp. I dont need to buy any and I wont buy any. Dont need isk and dont need to sell any but there are skills I would like to remove in order to have a perfectly orange character sheet with all V's in important things.

This feature is about character customization not pay-to-win or anything of the sort.


You will not have a perfectly orange sheet with all lvl 5s. You will have a bunch of 0 level skills everywhere mixed in the the level 5s.

Actually you skill sheet will look even worst then.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Assassin126
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#145 - 2016-01-18 17:45:43 UTC
Something feels wrong about having AUR costs for it, its the first thing where AUR can help you buy skills.. I guess it depends a bit on the cost though. I just worry that like everything else it will be overpriced.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#146 - 2016-01-18 17:48:43 UTC
Kyt Thrace wrote:
Alexxei wrote:
Valterra Craven wrote:
the major flaw with this idea is that I don't think that there is enough incentive for people to extract SP in the first place.

Sure there is. I have 140 million sp. I dont need to buy any and I wont buy any. Dont need isk and dont need to sell any but there are skills I would like to remove in order to have a perfectly orange character sheet with all V's in important things.

This feature is about character customization not pay-to-win or anything of the sort.


You will not have a perfectly orange sheet with all lvl 5s. You will have a bunch of 0 level skills everywhere mixed in the the level 5s.

Actually you skill sheet will look even worst then.


Lol he Says it's not pay to win maybe not in that example but what about the guy willing to spend a couple grand on an online game just so he get all the Vs right away

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Lugh Crow-Slave
#147 - 2016-01-18 17:49:36 UTC
Assassin126 wrote:
Something feels wrong about having AUR costs for it, its the first thing where AUR can help you buy skills.. I guess it depends a bit on the cost though. I just worry that like everything else it will be overpriced.


Considering there is no limit any price will be over price as thighs who can spend more will get more sp

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Vibiana
Frontier Trading Company
#148 - 2016-01-18 17:49:47 UTC
Ok, now Dear CCP please explain, why whould one ever play with with all that useless starter level contenet in that game if one could just dotane x amont of PLEX and buy top tier stuff?

day 1 newbro wants to play meatshield for "big boys"? Donate and fly FOTM.

t1 frigs? Forget. Buy a drug and inject it to get that keres!.

t1 cruisers? Forget. Buy a drug and inject it to get that cerb/prot.whatever is Ishtar ATM.

Or just go big and donate your way to Caps, sit, waiting for a ping, alt+tab, play WOT.

Want to do some 1-4 missions? Forget. Buy a drug and inject it to get that AFKtar, come back to get moar SP \0/ (or use a bot in dead-end system for that extra oumpf)

Thats sad that major source of isk in that game is ratting -> grind.

Welcome the new Korean style EVE:G , grind your way to "top".

next step is enchantments for my Moros!
Great idea, to have it at least +8! It should shine with blue color!
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#149 - 2016-01-18 17:51:03 UTC
Assassin126 wrote:
Something feels wrong about having AUR costs for it, its the first thing where AUR can help you buy skills.. I guess it depends a bit on the cost though. I just worry that like everything else it will be overpriced.

Avert your eyes from the character bazaar forum, then -- effecting a transfer of a character costs 2 PLEX or some money amount which I cannot remember.

There's basically no way CCP will exclude a PLEX or AUR cost from the extractors. If their finance employees are even remotely worth their pay, they would see such an exclusion as a reduction in the capacity of the business to resolve or draw down their liabilities, due to the inevitable reduction in frequency of character transfers. This would be extremely hard to justify.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
ViolentDesire
78934223
#150 - 2016-01-18 17:51:28 UTC
Hendrink Collie wrote:
Querns wrote:

Funny thing about that -- I was monitoring that thread. The opinion was, initially, full-on panic, until Elise Randolph posted about it. Then, everyone was okay with it.


Haha, yeah I remember that. Was hilarious how quickly the mood changes once Elise put his two cents in.

That being said, I was talking specifically about today's reaction, not when it was first thrown out. Smile


The fanboyism totally took over.
Aerious
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#151 - 2016-01-18 17:52:05 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Assassin126 wrote:
Something feels wrong about having AUR costs for it, its the first thing where AUR can help you buy skills.. I guess it depends a bit on the cost though. I just worry that like everything else it will be overpriced.


Considering there is no limit any price will be over price asthighs who can spend more will get more sp


Who's thighs are you thinking about? Shocked

"They worried we would eventually offer not just vanity items, but ones that would give the Haves an unfair advantage over the Have-Nots."
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#152 - 2016-01-18 17:52:56 UTC
Vibiana wrote:
Ok, now Dear CCP please explain, why whould one ever play with with all that useless starter level contenet in that game if one could just dotane x amont of PLEX and buy top tier stuff?

day 1 newbro wants to play meatshield for "big boys"? Donate and fly FOTM.

t1 frigs? Forget. Buy a drug and inject it to get that keres!.

t1 cruisers? Forget. Buy a drug and inject it to get that cerb/prot.whatever is Ishtar ATM.

Or just go big and donate your way to Caps, sit, waiting for a ping, alt+tab, play WOT.

Want to do some 1-4 missions? Forget. Buy a drug and inject it to get that AFKtar, come back to get moar SP \0/ (or use a bot in dead-end system for that extra oumpf)

Thats sad that major source of isk in that game is ratting -> grind.

Welcome the new Korean style EVE:G , grind your way to "top".

next step is enchantments for my Moros!
Great idea, to have it at least +8! It should shine with blue color!


it is amazing how many people with strong opinions on this subject don't know the character bazar exists
ViolentDesire
78934223
#153 - 2016-01-18 17:53:50 UTC
Vibiana wrote:
Ok, now Dear CCP please explain, why whould one ever play with with all that useless starter level contenet in that game if one could just dotane x amont of PLEX and buy top tier stuff?

day 1 newbro wants to play meatshield for "big boys"? Donate and fly FOTM.

t1 frigs? Forget. Buy a drug and inject it to get that keres!.

t1 cruisers? Forget. Buy a drug and inject it to get that cerb/prot.whatever is Ishtar ATM.

Or just go big and donate your way to Caps, sit, waiting for a ping, alt+tab, play WOT.

Want to do some 1-4 missions? Forget. Buy a drug and inject it to get that AFKtar, come back to get moar SP \0/ (or use a bot in dead-end system for that extra oumpf)

Thats sad that major source of isk in that game is ratting -> grind.

Welcome the new Korean style EVE:G , grind your way to "top".

next step is enchantments for my Moros!
Great idea, to have it at least +8! It should shine with blue color!


Probably gonna be obsolete like 50% of the current content.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#154 - 2016-01-18 17:54:17 UTC
Aerious wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Assassin126 wrote:
Something feels wrong about having AUR costs for it, its the first thing where AUR can help you buy skills.. I guess it depends a bit on the cost though. I just worry that like everything else it will be overpriced.


Considering there is no limit any price will be over price asthighs who can spend more will get more sp


Who's thighs are you thinking about? Shocked


Lol you try using the phone

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Scaugh
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#155 - 2016-01-18 17:56:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Scaugh
This will be if released as planned, the very first Pay2Win item in EVE.

Up until now all items bought through the New Eden Store have been nothing more than fancy clothing and ship skins. nothing that will give a player an advantage over another. After this update, we are one step closer to a Pay2Win model.

The “Skill Extractor” should be available by other methods as well as the New Eden Store. Perhaps from CONCORD and/or Sansha LP stores at a high price.
Picman
Lag o mio
#156 - 2016-01-18 17:56:43 UTC
Well, I am completely against this wonderful Roll feature with SP transfers. Not sure where the forum is where people agreed this feature would be welcome, I must have visited the wrong forum all time.
In my opinion this feature is not here to make it easier for new characters. Compared to some years ago the game start has been made by far easier for newbies already.

The only reason why SP transfers will be introduced is CCP's wish to earn more money with the game.
CCP, if you really just want to give new players an easier start, then seed these empty skill injectors to npc market offers or even better, add them to the loot tables so that everyone can find them. This way they'd also be available, but there will be no additional dollars for you.
Pity I believe this would reduce your interest in this new feature to zero.

So as the SP transfer will come anyway, at least tell the truth that the only reason is to milk the cow and don't pretend you want to make it easier for anyone.

Best regards,
Picman
Lugh Crow-Slave
#157 - 2016-01-18 17:56:56 UTC
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
Vibiana wrote:
Ok, now Dear CCP please explain, why whould one ever play with with all that useless starter level contenet in that game if one could just dotane x amont of PLEX and buy top tier stuff?

day 1 newbro wants to play meatshield for "big boys"? Donate and fly FOTM.

t1 frigs? Forget. Buy a drug and inject it to get that keres!.

t1 cruisers? Forget. Buy a drug and inject it to get that cerb/prot.whatever is Ishtar ATM.

Or just go big and donate your way to Caps, sit, waiting for a ping, alt+tab, play WOT.

Want to do some 1-4 missions? Forget. Buy a drug and inject it to get that AFKtar, come back to get moar SP \0/ (or use a bot in dead-end system for that extra oumpf)

Thats sad that major source of isk in that game is ratting -> grind.

Welcome the new Korean style EVE:G , grind your way to "top".

next step is enchantments for my Moros!
Great idea, to have it at least +8! It should shine with blue color!


it is amazing how many people with strong opinions on this subject don't know the character bazar exists



Sure I Do but I also know that the bazaar doesn't let me get level V in every thing aiming I have the money

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
CCP Terminus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#158 - 2016-01-18 17:58:08 UTC
Amanda Rekenwhith wrote:
My question is this:

It says points can be extracted if the character has 5,000,000 or more SP. Does this mean I can't milk an alt down to zero? If he has 5.8 million SP, only one million can be extracted? Or since he had 5,000,000+ at one point I can extract him to nothing?


You can never go below 5 Million SP. So to extract SP from a character they will need to have at least 5.5 million SP.

@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
Lugh Crow-Slave
#159 - 2016-01-18 18:00:08 UTC
Scaugh wrote:
This will be if released as planned, the very first Pay2Win item in EVE.

Up until now all items bought through the New Eden Store have been nothing more than fancy clothing and ship skins. nothing that will give a player an advantage over another. After this update, we are one step closer to a Pay2Win model.

The “Skill Extractor” should be available by other methods as well as the New Eden Store. Perhaps from CONCORD and/or Sansha LP stores at a high price.



I do hate to say this but it's very similar to just buying a plex and chasing it in to skip out on actually earning the item

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Lugh Crow-Slave
#160 - 2016-01-18 18:01:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
CCP Terminus wrote:
Amanda Rekenwhith wrote:
My question is this:

It says points can be extracted if the character has 5,000,000 or more SP. Does this mean I can't milk an alt down to zero? If he has 5.8 million SP, only one million can be extracted? Or since he had 5,000,000+ at one point I can extract him to nothing?


You can never go below 5 Million SP. So to extract SP from a character they will need to have at least 5.5 million SP.


So there is just a minium tine before my character can turn into an sp cow? And then I can just regularly milk him at a set time

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble