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Blitz and Burner Guide v1.2.1

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Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#81 - 2015-11-23 12:54:44 UTC
Ploing wrote:
did 2 enyo teamburner testruns on sissi today and it looks like they fixed the bug. was able to do the enyo in 1:30

Yeeeey!

On a side note, I think I'm going to have to do a bug report. I ran a Gone Berserk yesterday on the test server and I think they messed up the mission completion trigger. Or they changed it but with how things have been going lately it's WAY more likely they broke something else, again. I'll run some tests again to confirm I didn't just mess something up but if anyone's rolling around on the test server and get Gone berserk, test and see if killing the right most trigger + Spawns actually completes the mission. It did complete after I killed every single ship but only then.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#82 - 2015-11-23 14:52:32 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Ploing wrote:
did 2 enyo teamburner testruns on sissi today and it looks like they fixed the bug. was able to do the enyo in 1:30

Yeeeey!

On a side note, I think I'm going to have to do a bug report. I ran a Gone Berserk yesterday on the test server and I think they messed up the mission completion trigger. Or they changed it but with how things have been going lately it's WAY more likely they broke something else, again. I'll run some tests again to confirm I didn't just mess something up but if anyone's rolling around on the test server and get Gone berserk, test and see if killing the right most trigger + Spawns actually completes the mission. It did complete after I killed every single ship but only then.


Last time I did Gone Berserk, it was the left side that was the completion trigger. I think they made it random.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#83 - 2015-11-23 17:22:33 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Ploing wrote:
did 2 enyo teamburner testruns on sissi today and it looks like they fixed the bug. was able to do the enyo in 1:30

Yeeeey!

On a side note, I think I'm going to have to do a bug report. I ran a Gone Berserk yesterday on the test server and I think they messed up the mission completion trigger. Or they changed it but with how things have been going lately it's WAY more likely they broke something else, again. I'll run some tests again to confirm I didn't just mess something up but if anyone's rolling around on the test server and get Gone berserk, test and see if killing the right most trigger + Spawns actually completes the mission. It did complete after I killed every single ship but only then.


Last time I did Gone Berserk, it was the left side that was the completion trigger. I think they made it random.

Was this on sisi or on live?

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#84 - 2015-11-23 18:12:50 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Ploing wrote:
did 2 enyo teamburner testruns on sissi today and it looks like they fixed the bug. was able to do the enyo in 1:30

Yeeeey!

On a side note, I think I'm going to have to do a bug report. I ran a Gone Berserk yesterday on the test server and I think they messed up the mission completion trigger. Or they changed it but with how things have been going lately it's WAY more likely they broke something else, again. I'll run some tests again to confirm I didn't just mess something up but if anyone's rolling around on the test server and get Gone berserk, test and see if killing the right most trigger + Spawns actually completes the mission. It did complete after I killed every single ship but only then.


Last time I did Gone Berserk, it was the left side that was the completion trigger. I think they made it random.

Was this on sisi or on live?


That was live. I went through the right side and it didn't work, so I then went down the left side and that gave me the completion trigger.

You can test it by putting your self as a squad commander in a fleet so you can tag targets.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#85 - 2015-11-23 18:17:10 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Ploing wrote:
did 2 enyo teamburner testruns on sissi today and it looks like they fixed the bug. was able to do the enyo in 1:30

Yeeeey!

On a side note, I think I'm going to have to do a bug report. I ran a Gone Berserk yesterday on the test server and I think they messed up the mission completion trigger. Or they changed it but with how things have been going lately it's WAY more likely they broke something else, again. I'll run some tests again to confirm I didn't just mess something up but if anyone's rolling around on the test server and get Gone berserk, test and see if killing the right most trigger + Spawns actually completes the mission. It did complete after I killed every single ship but only then.


Last time I did Gone Berserk, it was the left side that was the completion trigger. I think they made it random.

Was this on sisi or on live?


That was live. I went through the right side and it didn't work, so I then went down the left side and that gave me the completion trigger.

You can test it by putting your self as a squad commander in a fleet so you can tag targets.

I've been keeping an eye on the patch notes and can't remember any mention of it. Why does CCP do this to themselves Roll

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Arji Hekki
Doomheim
#86 - 2015-11-23 18:21:31 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Ploing wrote:
did 2 enyo teamburner testruns on sissi today and it looks like they fixed the bug. was able to do the enyo in 1:30

Yeeeey!

On a side note, I think I'm going to have to do a bug report. I ran a Gone Berserk yesterday on the test server and I think they messed up the mission completion trigger. Or they changed it but with how things have been going lately it's WAY more likely they broke something else, again. I'll run some tests again to confirm I didn't just mess something up but if anyone's rolling around on the test server and get Gone berserk, test and see if killing the right most trigger + Spawns actually completes the mission. It did complete after I killed every single ship but only then.


Now that you mentioned it... I can confirm that Gone Berserk is weird on SISI. I followed the eve-survival tip to only kill the right side group ( your guide mentions it too ) but it didn't complete. I had to kill everything to complete the mission.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#87 - 2015-11-23 18:38:12 UTC
Arji Hekki wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Ploing wrote:
did 2 enyo teamburner testruns on sissi today and it looks like they fixed the bug. was able to do the enyo in 1:30

Yeeeey!

On a side note, I think I'm going to have to do a bug report. I ran a Gone Berserk yesterday on the test server and I think they messed up the mission completion trigger. Or they changed it but with how things have been going lately it's WAY more likely they broke something else, again. I'll run some tests again to confirm I didn't just mess something up but if anyone's rolling around on the test server and get Gone berserk, test and see if killing the right most trigger + Spawns actually completes the mission. It did complete after I killed every single ship but only then.


Now that you mentioned it... I can confirm that Gone Berserk is weird on SISI. I followed the eve-survival tip to only kill the right side group ( your guide mentions it too ) but it didn't complete. I had to kill everything to complete the mission.

Thanks. I've updated my guide to reflect this. Soon as I can get a beserk on Tranq I'll test and confirm. If so Bug report time (since it's not in any patch notes). Who knows what else broke if something as random as this did. It'd be great if anyone else that has experienced this and is willing, do the same Pirate

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#88 - 2015-11-23 18:47:46 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Arji Hekki wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Ploing wrote:
did 2 enyo teamburner testruns on sissi today and it looks like they fixed the bug. was able to do the enyo in 1:30

Yeeeey!

On a side note, I think I'm going to have to do a bug report. I ran a Gone Berserk yesterday on the test server and I think they messed up the mission completion trigger. Or they changed it but with how things have been going lately it's WAY more likely they broke something else, again. I'll run some tests again to confirm I didn't just mess something up but if anyone's rolling around on the test server and get Gone berserk, test and see if killing the right most trigger + Spawns actually completes the mission. It did complete after I killed every single ship but only then.


Now that you mentioned it... I can confirm that Gone Berserk is weird on SISI. I followed the eve-survival tip to only kill the right side group ( your guide mentions it too ) but it didn't complete. I had to kill everything to complete the mission.

Thanks. I've updated my guide to reflect this. Soon as I can get a beserk on Tranq I'll test and confirm. If so Bug report time (since it's not in any patch notes). Who knows what else broke if something as random as this did. It'd be great if anyone else that has experienced this and is willing, do the same Pirate


If it is broke, could be due to the Crimson Harvest event.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#89 - 2015-11-23 19:29:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Everything and their mother broke due to the event.

Haven't gotten the mission yet but ran Two attack of the drone missions and no problems there so far.

Edit: Got the mission on Tranq and the right spawn triggered mission completion (after I went for the left one first) so more testing is required!

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Matthias Dete
Union of Lonely Pilots
#90 - 2015-11-23 20:31:50 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Matthias Dete wrote:
Just did the Blood Burner Agent for the first time and lost with the alternative cheaper fit Sad

I got the burner armour down to half before I lost cap completely.

I think I activated the cap booster to soon each time it ran down. Should I have waited till cap was zero and tank at about 60% before activating tank and rep?

Also, I'm guessing the 'keep at range 100km' in the guide is an error. Should it be 10k?

I'll give it a go and check to make sure, how's your dps skills? You should be using less than half the cap charges if your dps skills are decent.


Most skills are maxed although I had only just trained small autocannon specialization to lvl 1. I'm training it up now.

I used about 4 cap charges before I ran out.

Looking at the combat log I was doing about 99 actual dps. It looks like initial dps was high but then settled down to about 150 per hit. I don't know if that is low due to distance as I was about 3.5 km from the target.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#91 - 2015-11-23 20:42:39 UTC
Matthias Dete wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Matthias Dete wrote:
Just did the Blood Burner Agent for the first time and lost with the alternative cheaper fit Sad

I got the burner armour down to half before I lost cap completely.

I think I activated the cap booster to soon each time it ran down. Should I have waited till cap was zero and tank at about 60% before activating tank and rep?

Also, I'm guessing the 'keep at range 100km' in the guide is an error. Should it be 10k?

I'll give it a go and check to make sure, how's your dps skills? You should be using less than half the cap charges if your dps skills are decent.


Most skills are maxed although I had only just trained small autocannon specialization to lvl 1. I'm training it up now.

I used about 4 cap charges before I ran out.

Looking at the combat log I was doing about 99 actual dps. It looks like initial dps was high but then settled down to about 150 per hit. I don't know if that is low due to distance as I was about 3.5 km from the target.

Yea getting specialization up will make a huge difference. You will run out of cap, that's normal, just OH the armor repper and keep feeding it cap charges (Make sure you're cargo is full of navy 400s) and make sure the webber is running. You wont get closer, at most you might get to within 3km. It's very much an endurance burner but the extra dps form the spec to 4 at least will help a lot.

Only OH the guns when you get the burner to about 25% armor.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Matthias Dete
Union of Lonely Pilots
#92 - 2015-11-23 21:21:30 UTC
Thats great thanks Anize
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2015-11-24 06:39:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
If we are talking the Unified Daredevil for some odd reason I have had less success against the Dramiel Burner with that than with a Vengeance.

Then again against the Dramiel I lose a lot more ships with identical skills and fit on TQ than I do in SISI (virtually no losses on SISI) so sometimes RND comes into it in a big way.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#94 - 2015-11-24 09:00:03 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
If we are talking the Unified Daredevil for some odd reason I have had less success against the Dramiel Burner with that than with a Vengeance.

Then again against the Dramiel I lose a lot more ships with identical skills and fit on TQ than I do in SISI (virtually no losses on SISI) so sometimes RND comes into it in a big way.


Yea I had some issues with the Dram initially as well. The tank on the one in my guide seems sufficient where even wrecking shots aren't an issue anymore. Just OH the Explosive hardener.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#95 - 2015-11-24 14:04:04 UTC
I shall file this under 'U' and 'I' for 'Useful' and 'Interesting' :)

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2015-11-26 13:36:07 UTC
One bit of useful info - if you really mess up a burner and it is now too dangerous to re-enter the site there is no standing penalty for quitting a burner mission.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#97 - 2015-11-26 13:53:36 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
One bit of useful info - if you really mess up a burner and it is now too dangerous to re-enter the site there is no standing penalty for quitting a burner mission.

I just tested and you are actually correct. Even if you accept a burner mission, there is still no penalty for quitting the mission. Was a little surprised at that.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2015-11-26 22:41:16 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
One bit of useful info - if you really mess up a burner and it is now too dangerous to re-enter the site there is no standing penalty for quitting a burner mission.

I just tested and you are actually correct. Even if you accept a burner mission, there is still no penalty for quitting the mission. Was a little surprised at that.


Yep.

Which basically means if you have the spare time and have the ISK to blow on a ship or two you can actually test burner fits on TQ without standing loss for failing.
Rigel Scorpius
TEREX Industries
#99 - 2015-11-26 23:02:48 UTC
Has there been any updates on the Team Burner issues? I've tried both the Enyo and Vengeance lately multiple times and have yet been able to break the armor tank on even one of the logi's. My latest attempt is with a 2x LML Garmur setup, max skills, T2 rigs, etc. OH putting out over 515dps. The Hawk on the other hand goes down the same as before with no issues and I've yet to draw the Jaguar lately so I can't comment on that one...
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#100 - 2015-11-27 09:28:15 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
One bit of useful info - if you really mess up a burner and it is now too dangerous to re-enter the site there is no standing penalty for quitting a burner mission.

also useful when you get connection problems :<

pro tip: don't go back and try to complete when you have connection problems

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