EVE General Discussion

No Alavaria, by grinding I'm referring to grinding for ISK.

My simple point is that if Rain "can't be assed" to get his ISK in the game and instead relies on PLEX, then it makes him less sympathetic to the issue of SP Trading being pay-to-win.

Removed an off topic post.

I spent five years putzing around in small groups, and a year ago I saw the light. A lot of my apathy is from understanding the folly of sticking with a small group out of some irrational principle. Nothing is stopping a player from aligning with a large group and only going out to PVP or do -whatever- with a handful of players in their large group.

Another aspect to consider is macro vs micro gameplay. Large groups are capable of both macro and micro, but small groups are confined to micro gameplay.

Small groups can align with each other, but then technically that isn't a small group.

Considering there are 16 pages in this topic and please forgive me if someone has already asked this, does anyone know if a player creates a skill pack, can they use that skill pack on themselves? If so, are they subjugated to the same rules as someone who bought the pack off the market?

Thanks!

There is too much ISK floating around in certain groups.
Skill injections would only benefit them even more than anyone else.

Correction: I might use skill packs to finish skills like Advanced Drone Interfacing V and Trade skills.

As you know, I'm in a large corp, too. You don't have to sell me on the benefits of large corps.. there are many.

But nowhere in your statement do I see any argument in favor of SP Trading, specifically. As I said before: Providing a mechanic that is vulnerable to Malcanis's Law right out of the gate goes against the design philosophy CCP would like us to believe they have been pursuing lately.

If large groups are so great to be in, why empower them further with a mechanic vulnerable to abuse by the richer segment of EVE (in the ways I've clearly spelled out?).



Of course, someone is going to bring up how great it is for newbros. We have a consensus here on GD, Reddit, and anywhere else that a newbie doesn't need SP to have fun. Have we all suddenly been so blinded by account consolidation that we've forgotten this fundamental point?

Why play the game at all? Why not just compare the cumulative RL bank accounts of each side of an in-game conflict and declare the winner?

Be done with all this nonsense like transversal and fitting and falloff.

And you know, as PLEX values rise, it becomes more of a wallet player's market.

AND my last three years of ten-subbing were done while attending school full-time, so there's that. You know, life priorities and stuff.

Ok, I get where you're coming from. EvE does need people who want to be the best at all cost, but it also needs people who are inclusive and think of other pilots too. Without the latter, there would be no eve-uni or the recently shut down RvB ... people who spend their time so others can get greater enjoyment of the game.

The people who take the time to write up essay style posts with arguments, are certainly not crying "whaa whaaa whaaaaaaa SP Packs". They are pointing out certain risks of the proposed mechanics. More so they are urging CCP to be very careful about changing a mechanic which is a fundamental part of gameplay. By this I don't mean the waiting time until a skill is trained, which isn't fun. What I mean is being forced to make choices in what ships you want to fly.

Lowering the bar is one thing, setting the bar as low as you're able to pay for is a whole different thing. I'm not going to reiterate how allthough PLEX & the character bazaar are already allowing people to circumvent the system, they are quite different from the proposed SP trade.

I'm not fundamentally opposed to SP trading, but I do think the number of SP which can be injected should be limited per month, per 3 moths or per 6 months. This would allow CCP to test the waters for SP trading without causing too much damage, should they have to pull the system again. It would also allow the current SP system to maintain part of its function of forcing players to make choices which for a time will exclude them from other options (opportunity cost).

Opportunity cost may be a nuisance but it isn't necessarily a bad thing. Our economy is based on the fact that you can't do everything by yourself. The fact that engineers, lawyers, doctors are highly specialized in their field at the cost of not training other stuff in the same time is what allows them to perform better in their field and earn higher wages. The times where a blacksmith is also a dentist and a surgeon are luckily over.

And so it is in EvE. We have specialized "professions". Some of those require actually to become skilled at playing in that field. Others just require the patience to wait until your skills have trained. Making it possible to correct mistakes or getting faster into specific ships is good. Making it dependant on your wallet is bad, especially if you continue asking for a subscription fee.

TL:DR criticizing the proposed SP trade system doesn't mean that one is fundamentally opposed to SP trading. Reducing well thought out arguments to "whaa whaaa whaaaaaaa SP Packs" is childish behaviour and doesn't help your case.