EVE General Discussion

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1. The character bazaar has been a thing since before I started playing.

2. No amount of money will make you good at EVE. This has been proven 100s of times by wallet warriors who spend 100s or 1000s of dollars on plex to buy characters or ships they do not have the knowledge or skill to use. Then promptly get it all blown up. Leaving them with two empty wallets and nothing to show for it.

No amount of SP or RL cash makes you a better player.

Um what is the problem here? All that is happening is characters which were sold as a whole are now being sold in 500k packets. So basically it has made it open to non super rich people (in game or out of game). Why on earth would you expect a mass protest against somethig which will only help the majority and especially new players, players with less rl money and players with less in game money?

No, currently the new player has no chance of buying a character in the Bazarr, with skill packets he will have every chance of buying a 500k skill packet when he has the isk. It is a massive improvement from the new players point of view. Same goes for the player who has limited play time and thus could never make the isk to buy a character from the bazarr, again he can buy small pieces as and when he can afford it. Finally players with limited rl money can sacrifice unwanted sp to help afford plex, basically everyone wins.

Old players and rich corps could just buy alts in the bazaar anyway, forcing up prices for everyone, at least this way they wont be buying more than they need sp wise and there will be less upward pressure on prices (especially with the diminishing returns, for high power alts the bazarr will still be better). And really how many alts do you need?

If you are really complaining about organisations who bring new players into the game giving thier recruits a helping hand sp wise that is just sad. It is also pointless since they already provide them with a helping hand in all other regards and often said recruits end up just buying chars through the bazarr with thier subsidised alliance income, so again all that has changed is removal of waste sp from the game.

Impossible to say until ccp tell us how much the mechanism will cost. The cheaper that is the more players can afford (through in game or out of game money) to make packets, therefore the lower the cost of the packets.

Even if it is prohibitively expensive it will still be cheaper than buying a char, since a char will always have waste sp that the seller will expect to be paid for. Most importantly low sp chars are not sold, since the isk benefit of selling them is less than the cost of transferring the character. So a new player could never buy a 3 or 4 mil sp character, but now they can buy themselves up to a 2.5 mil character trained how they want it (unless ccp completely screws up the pricing, which they still could).

How is it going to cost extra on top of the sub? They buy it from market, or better still recieve it in a donation like all the other stuff players/groups/corps donate to new players. It is the people selling the sp who are spending rl money, though even they can use isk in the same way you can buy a plex. From the recievers point of view it is not different than saving for implants, other than the fact implants don't give reduced benefits to older players.

you could at least buy me drink before crawling up my arse you know

The simple fact of the matter is that we need a way to transfer or purchase SP in this game badly. There already exist a standard for something like that for ISK/Aurum and game time via PLEX.

I left the game for three years and almost never came back. During that time I started trying out and enjoying some mobile games. They use the same kind of time based skill or advancement system that Eve does for skills but with the added bonus of giving the customer the option to spend just a little extra and cut out a significant part of the bullshit. For the first 3-4 months I came back I kept looking at my skill que and subconsciously wishing for such an option.

I am an old vet with almost 100 million SP but I cannot wait for this new system. Why? Because I can spend a little of my copious amounts of ISK and cut out all the time spent training advanced skills that I am not optimized for such as Leadership, Jump Freighter/Carrier training, finishing off my drone skills, and improving my almost non-existent gunnery skills. I will happily pay multiple billions of ISK, and even a little RL US dollars, to take out a significant portion of my existing training que for the next 4-6 months. I would not do it a lot but a one time extra injection of of say 5-10 million SP at most would fix sooo many problems and holes in my characters skills. It would also enable to finally start actually training and maybe enjoying an alt.

The gaming industry in general has evolved and Eve needs to evolve with it or it will die and I don't think any of us want that.

Was it exploiting or some players were progressing too fast?

Similar thing happened with Saga of Ryzom (sandbox game), people were progressing too fast so they nerfed the progress, in the process they turned it into more of a grind and people left as WoW was being released at that time.

They would have lost some to WoW anyway, but they lost more because they annoyed their player base. It never recovered from that.

The reason i play is because it is time locked, not grind locked. If it was grind locked then I am out of here. I can't play 20 hours a week like when i was 16. I have a job. I have a life. Skill point via time is brilliant, because playing a few hours a week does not put me at a disadvantage from login time.

Make it all super fast, and all you get is everyone leaving after 2 months because "no new content, can already fly titan" crap.

It is not a FPS. Don't make it one.