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MASS-PROTEST AGAINST EXPLORING THE CHARACTER BAZAAR & SKILL TRADING

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#181 - 2015-11-02 19:23:40 UTC
Malice Redeemer wrote:
It's not going to help new players. It will cost far too much for them. These changes will help old players make alts and rich corps, mostly ones that recruit from outside of the game.


I'm confused.

You seem to be against rich corps using their wealth for the noble goal of introducing new players to the game. Players that otherwise might have never heard of this game.

It irks me that people seem to be adamantly opposed to corps trying to increase the player base. Is that not what CCP wanted in the first place? A sandbox with player made content? That content must surely include recruiting new people from outside the game. A thing that SA, Reddit, and others have successfully achieved.

Mr Epeen Cool
Railroad Cop
Exit-Strategy
Unchained Alliance
#182 - 2015-11-03 01:01:18 UTC
OP is a ******.

Greed = Selling a Monocle (A virtual / pixel one at that) for $80 USD.


Skill Packets = An idea that has been well thought out and planned. It is not pay to win, it has been built around benefiting new players and not doing crap to benefit high SP players other than allowing them to pull unused / un wanted skills from their head and make a bit of cash from it.


Look at the bazaar and all of the "****" characters with wasted SP that were seemingly trained by someone with the attention span of a gold fish. They now have a use - new players can buy them (or be bought cheap for SP extraction) to skill up faster.

SP are not created from thin air - they are taken from Players whom have earned them just like everyone else.
Note- they are taken at a LOSS - you can inject less than what you pull out.

Quit your bitching!
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#183 - 2015-11-03 01:06:47 UTC
Railroad Cop wrote:
it has been built around benefiting new players


So long as they have real life cash to stump up in addition to the subscription fee, that's really going to bring hordes of new guys Roll
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#184 - 2015-11-03 02:41:46 UTC
Portmanteau wrote:
Railroad Cop wrote:
it has been built around benefiting new players


So long as they have real life cash to stump up in addition to the subscription fee, that's really going to bring hordes of new guys Roll
Kind of like now where they stump up the cash to go shopping in the Character Bazaar?

Find something else to justify your altruistic compassion for new players.. The "Think of the poor noobs with no money" shtick is not only dishonest, it's getting really old, really fast.

Mr Epeen Cool
Jarod Garamonde
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#185 - 2015-11-03 03:02:34 UTC
If it's not people paying real money for SP, I have no problems with it.
We can already sell our alts for isk on the bazaar. And lots of people have expressed an interest in shedding useless skills. Why is this such a problem?

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Avvy
Doomheim
#186 - 2015-11-03 10:14:25 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:


...

To clarify on my own reaction: I'm not a fan, because it leads to the feeling that people 'must' buy skill points to keep their character competitive. Yes, people could always go and buy a character off the Bazaar. But their connection to a character like that is less. Also, it's a significantly higher outlay, so it's not a 'normal' option for people to take. With a lower initial cost, the pressure is higher. And I think that's a bad idea.

(Will it kill Eve? Nope. I just don't think it'll be good for it)


I don't see that as relevant.

Reason being the only way (talking skill points) you can presently get skill points is by having an active account. So those starting can never be competitive as there is presently no catch up if players continue to subscribe.


Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#187 - 2015-11-03 10:18:47 UTC
I think its fine, give them skillpoint microtransactions so carebears can have max lvl ravens and stuff

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#188 - 2015-11-03 10:28:12 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
If it's not people paying real money for SP, I have no problems with it.
We can already sell our alts for isk on the bazaar. And lots of people have expressed an interest in shedding useless skills. Why is this such a problem?

I think your last sentence is answered by the possibility of your first.

I've mellowed on my initial reaction to the idea. Still cautious, but we'll see how it develops.
Avvy
Doomheim
#189 - 2015-11-03 10:36:50 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
If it's not people paying real money for SP, I have no problems with it.
We can already sell our alts for isk on the bazaar. And lots of people have expressed an interest in shedding useless skills. Why is this such a problem?

I think your last sentence is answered by the possibility of your first.

I've mellowed on my initial reaction to the idea. Still cautious, but we'll see how it develops.



I can understand the negative reaction of some people to this.

A lot of people have played the game a long time and some of those will view it as an achievement. So being able to buy sp undermines their sense of achievement.
GeorgePenken
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#190 - 2015-11-03 11:32:30 UTC
A protest about what?

This is good for Eve.

The character bazzar is outdated and needs improving. Making it so skills can be traded is an awesome idea.
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#191 - 2015-11-03 11:40:49 UTC
People have been selling SP through the Character Bazaar for years. This is no different. The process is just more streamlined.
Stalking Mantis
Tr0pa de elite.
Pandemic Horde
#192 - 2015-11-03 12:06:11 UTC
I think the REAL question that should be asked here is: WHY is CCP strapped for cash?

In my humble opinion it is because everytime they have some they hire someone that does not understand the core concept of eve and he starts some random project for them. See Dust, Vampires, The new Shooter on rails.

Look no one can blame CCP for trying to diversify income through trying to R&D new games. Problem is they don't know if they want to cater to their current player base or reach out to new ones. And while they flounder that question they keep losing players.

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Nate Hill
Rocket No. 9
#193 - 2015-11-03 12:44:06 UTC
I remember one of previous protests which directly made Incarna aborted. It's the most absurd protest of all time in my own opinion. The protesters are so shortsighted.

Walking in the station is a significant feature, which could leads to various kinds of gameplay and extremely extend the depth of EVE. PVE is the base of EVE.

Skill trading is also a very important decision to new players, which could help them a lot to get through the tedious experience when waiting for skills to accomplish. Everyone knows the decline of online player number.

It's also vital for CCP, after all, who'd been once on the edge of bankruptcy.
CCP just sold White Wolf Publishing. I think the money will be spent on the new servers in my opinion.
Avvy
Doomheim
#194 - 2015-11-03 12:44:52 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
People have been selling SP through the Character Bazaar for years. This is no different. The process is just more streamlined.



There is a difference, a character from the bazaar has a set amount of sp to increase it you need an active account.

Unless they impose a restriction on trading sp, there is no limit.
Nate Hill
Rocket No. 9
#195 - 2015-11-03 13:03:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Nate Hill
And BURN JITA is losers rage against innocent people, which is so barbarous.
Have you ever heard of appeal to somebody for something, which eventually harms others?
That's protests turn to riots in real life.
Ice Frozen Heart
Mrak EVE Corporation
#196 - 2015-11-03 13:22:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ice Frozen Heart
Freelancer117 wrote:
Time for another MASS-PROTEST, after Incarna greed is good debalce, CCP Games still has not learned the lesson X

source: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=536826276


Cya you in Amarr, on the Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy station undock, shooting the monument !

Regards, a Freelancer


PS: Time to make stand against this Bullshit all over again, like we did in 2011 and made the Company change policy.
https://ardentdefense.wordpress.com/2011/06/24/eve-jita-mass-protest/

CCP Seagull wrote:

Quote:
#51 - 2014-05-12 17:11:55 UTC
Freelancer117 wrote:


May I remind CCPgames about this dev blog:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/accord-reached-at-ccps-special-summit/

"We have expressed our deep concern about potential grey areas that the introduction of virtual goods permits, and CCP has made a commitment to discuss any proposals that might fall into these grey areas in detail with CSM at the earliest possible stage."

Hope that awareness has not dissipated over the years.

Regards, a Freelancer



Nothing has changed in our approach since that blog - the same principles still apply, and we will still discuss all new plans with the CSM.


source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4583354#post4583354


Disagree.
I would like to see some other way of SP-trading, something like "perk" trading, f.e to get new pilot learned Titan skills he have to waste 5-15 dread pilots skills.
and 50k SP after 80m ... only euro millioners can afford such investments to get reasonable improvement to character SP, so no big difference for other players. Especialy if to agree that SP not the only thing you need in EVE.

And yes, new players want to get to game faster. I invited few friends to the game, but they lost interest because of huge difference in new and old-bearded charater, me with my 90m+ SP cannot entertain them all the time and they (friends) cannot do same as i do.
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#197 - 2015-11-03 13:34:50 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Portmanteau wrote:
Railroad Cop wrote:
it has been built around benefiting new players


So long as they have real life cash to stump up in addition to the subscription fee, that's really going to bring hordes of new guys Roll
Kind of like now where they stump up the cash to go shopping in the Character Bazaar?

Find something else to justify your altruistic compassion for new players.. The "Think of the poor noobs with no money" shtick is not only dishonest, it's getting really old, really fast.

Mr Epeen Cool


Fully skilled characters going for 10s of billions is not the same as TSPs going for (at a guess) 100s of millions. The bar is set high enough in the character bazaar that new guys aren't all buying fully skilled characters. When those characters are broken down into TSP sized packets and put on the market at "more affordable" prices, many more new guys are going to buy the TSPs who would not have bought a new character. When the ones who don't, or cannot afford to see their 2 day old friends in the ship they will have to wait weeks to fly, the message will be clear,

YOU CAN PLAY NOW, IF YOU PAY US MORE MONEY.

The difference between character bazaar and TSPs is like Cocaine to Crack. If you can't see endless whine threads about CCP doing something about the price of SPs in General Discussion in the future then I would suggest it is you who is being dishonest.
The perception for many newguys just starting the game and many thinking about starting will be YOU CAN PLAY NOW, IF YOU PAY US MORE MONEY, whether that's 100% accurate is irrelevant, if that's what people think it will damage subscriptions and retention.

You can question the "real" reason for my opposition to this move all you like, I've been consistent in my reasons since it was suggested and it has nothing to do with butthurt about my SPs being devalued (I don't even have that many I spent so long unsubbed over the years). It has nothing to do with stupid principles (I bought this character back in 2010) it has everything to do with my feeling that newguys do need better help getting into this game more quickly and this being about the worst possible way that can be achieved.
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#198 - 2015-11-03 13:40:25 UTC
Nate Hill wrote:
And BURN JITA is losers rage against innocent people, which is so barbarous.
Have you ever heard of appeal to somebody for something, which eventually harms others?
That's protests turn to riots in real life.


EvE is not real life HTH
Nate Hill
Rocket No. 9
#199 - 2015-11-03 14:23:32 UTC
Portmanteau wrote:
Nate Hill wrote:
And BURN JITA is losers rage against innocent people, which is so barbarous.
Have you ever heard of appeal to somebody for something, which eventually harms others?
That's protests turn to riots in real life.


EvE is not real life HTH

Playing EVE is real life.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#200 - 2015-11-03 14:29:18 UTC
Nate Hill wrote:
Portmanteau wrote:
Nate Hill wrote:
And BURN JITA is losers rage against innocent people, which is so barbarous.
Have you ever heard of appeal to somebody for something, which eventually harms others?
That's protests turn to riots in real life.


EvE is not real life HTH

Playing EVE is real life.


EVE IS REAL

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*