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And why is that? People were happy playing this game for years (decades!) at a time when they couldn't buy SP. If SP was ever really that much of a problem, how would you explain 12 years so far? Again, most people are happy with increasing SP even further for new players, or doing lots to get them treading water faster so they can share this universe with us, but this way is, at best terribly circuitous and at worst blackmailing character progression.

I'll entertain that space is empty, but it's a little bit of a weak statement considering your alliance there. There's still content to be had. Some areas actually see more content than ever before. Pointing the finger at SP when there are far larger elephants in the room seems derpy. We now live in an age when there are strategic ratting fleets - that doesn't sound very engaging does it? There are so many culprits of why people are leaving, why not try and address these rather than just sell character progression to the highest bidder?

EvE takes time...Time to trust people, time to find the right corp, time to do everything. Having a steady incline of ships, costs, and the risks you can take is good while you begin to explore New Eden.



Going free to play is like a normal healthy game deciding to try hard drugs. It's gona feel REAL good for a little bit then...

Again. Fix the leaks first. Figure out why people are leaving, why veterans aren't getting new players into the game. Figure out why the universe has lost its groove and how to get it back. Getting into bigger more expensive ships faster is not going to make everyone happier. The people with the big and shiny ships are leaving just as anyone else, what would prevent a newer player from the same thing if he or she had said ships?

ccp are always reading. that's why i post.

well yeah - because most of those subscribers lost their vets long before they went to subscription models... they lost vets because they sucked not because they had microtransactions.

They have vets, with bigger wallets. Rich vs poor. Let's say it's +1 year after the SP for aurum introduced. "Should I start EvE? Well, it depends how much money do you have?".

Why not advertise those alts on the bazaar and give some newbro the opportunity to buy them. 3 with 50 mil SP, at least one of them has got to be worth more than pulling apart for profit.

And you are right, the sheer amount of unused characters could see an excess of SP packages available, to a limited pool of purchasers. This doesn't hurt CCP of course, once you make the SP package they have been paid for it but the player selling it could on the other hand be stuck with SP packages he or she can't sell because demand is far outstripped by availability. One or two of eves richest decide they want to screw with the SP market - Only the eve rich or those with high disposable incomes will be able to afford SP packages, just look at plex prices and how they are manipulated.

... and than imagine any players quitting EvE ...

Instead of the "can I haz your stuff", you'll get "can I haz some SP". Now I get why they made 5m SP the minimum for extracting SP. Most players quit before they are 5 months old.

Again, I'm not against the idea but it needs to thorough thinking through. Wouldn't want EvE to have a SWG NGE moment. This reeks like it could have exactly that potential.

and that's different to now how?

if you want to skip the newbie skill grind and go straight to flying t2 cruisers - how much cash do you have?
cos if you want to skip the newbie skill grind you already can.

What about the cool things you saw? The people you met? The friends you made? The things you experienced? The wanderlust of exploring space!

I know people jokingly call this game Skill Queues Online, but that's ridiculous! Now that the end of the skill queue tirany is at an end, we can't just throw our arms and quit!

I would like to voice my opposition in the strongest terms possible. However, language that foul would fall afoul of the forum rules. So, please for the love of bob no.

It won't appeal to the sort of players who will be around long term, because they may just buy a pile of SP, make a terrible toon, and either quit or sell the toon when they've had their fill of endgame stuff at week one. That's not a good thing for a health game.

It adds a substantial perceived front-load of payment to the game, because you figure if you can't fly anything you might as well buy the skills, potentially more than a hundred dollars for anything worth while. That won't look good. It's part of what turns me off of freemium games so hard.

It makes a shortcut available that devalues the work and commitment of your existing players. everyone in the game has either trained their toon or dealt with buying one. Yes, it might have been nice if you did this back when you originally designed the game. But now, after a decade, the time for a radical change and shortcut is well past to me.

It puts further strain on plex prices, which have only ever gone up. I'd rather not see them continue to.

It's either too granular, or not granular enough. It's sitting in the middle where many skills will take multiple packets to perfect, but is still overkill for many of the basic skills, and ends up with a plex equivalent cost of at least 300M just for the skill points involved. I don't know many newbies who have that much to spare without having spent real money. In which case, it becomes pay to win even more than it already is.

It destroys toon age as a skill metric. It's something people do use, even if it can be wildly inaccurate, because it's better than nothing.

In my opinion, a better idea would have been to allow an extra fee to be paid (a nominal one in ISK, not aurum or plex, although those work too), to rename the character while you buy or sell it, and potentially restrict it if the seller doesn't want to allow it, or by the type of sale being made.

CCP, I understand you have to make money. A sub fee bump would be unpopular, so aesthetic micro-transactions are one of the few areas you have to innovate in without affecting the rest of the game. But please, keep the micro-transactions out of the game proper. I don't want to have to buy Gold Faction Ammo to win a fight or contest, nor do I want to have a place where some guy can simply outspend me to progress faster.

Think of it like a PI operation.

I set up 3 alts and train them to 15m SP. 5m SP is the minimum before I can extract SP. So I extract 3x 10m SP and sell 30m SP in half the time it would have taken me to train one character to 30m SP. I also didn't have to follow a specific skillplan to create a Caldari or Gallente or Amarr or Minmatar pilot with specific pvp or industry or scanning skills. It's easier than Farmville now.

After the first batch of 30m SP, I repeat the whole operation over again and again.

Sunk cost = roughly 3x4 PLEX to get my 3 alts to 5m SP.

After that it's pure PLEX to SP conversion. Each PLEX is roughly 1m SP from now on per month.(edit: added per month to make it clearer. It depends on the size of SP extraction / booster packs whether you can sell monthly or have to wait a couple of months ... but in essence it's much faster than training 1 character to 30m SP)

Do you see a difference now ?