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CCP seriously?
Worst change ever.

I know some people that would pay big bucks to remove some corps from their history. Think about it!

This is probably the most exploitable SP system eve thought of (maybe just under the straight PLEX for SP refund idea tossed around once, remember the one that you can refund an entire lvl V skill for 100% the sp return). All you are doing is allowing us older players who can pool so much more isk, to essentially cut our training time to nothing while boosting our useful alt capacity. That and destroying the economy behind the character bazaar and the need to buy useful characters to meet the demands you are currently facing.

Please just don't.

It's just a way to pay your way ahead, if you're looking to make newer people be able to do more, why not make it so that newer pilots train quicker in order to get those things they hope for then it slows down after 15-20m or similar.

If there's one thing I appreciate in regards to training, it is that I could actually take time and learn while training for something, plus I had the goal of going somewhere. Buying your way into FOTM is just stupid and only encourage people with money to get ahead and then lose interest.

I'm sure selling SP is great short term, but I seriously doubt it will make people stick around for longer. Farming SP is the new thing...

I can only see this as another step to use money to correct mistakes, so name change, race change and all that is just around the corner.

With all the guides and templates on how to train buying SP isn't adding anything good, nor the reason as you already have the best support you can get. I have no regrets for accidentally training the wrong things and just made me enjoy the game even more.

/c

GOD NO!!!

What the **** is this? EA?
But you know what? You will be doing it anyways regardless of players outcry in this thread, you as well could have saved you the time posting this thread.

Initial reaction negative for me, but I can see the logic in that isk>SP already exists on the bazaar. The worry is more with the innate structure of the game, that imperceptible element that gives us some identity and affinity with our characters. This change is ripping at that fabric, and I'm not sure the (pretty obscure) benefits are worth that risk.

With regard to the boundaries: just below 50m gets 80% payback, just above gets 40%. That's far too binary, and a massive leap. It should probably be a continuum of some sort, or at least more bins to it.

I also have concern about the effect on plex prices.

Absolutely not.

I have skills that I rather wished I wouldn't have trained, yes. We all do. But at the time we trained them, they were worth it enough to us to take the time to train. It was a decision we made, it's a decision we live with. Being able to get back SP negates that decision-making process.

Here's a quick scenario: My industry alts, already fully trained, are no longer training. I start training them again. They never leave their station, so a pair of +5's along with Min / Max'ed attributes on a large skill or three means I can pump out 2700 SP per hour in perfect safety. In 8 days, I've already pumped out over 500k SP (518,400). Drain the SP, sell for a profit, repeat.

There's no risk involved. I'm not losing any SP because the characters aren't training any more. They have the necessary skills at the necessary levels and never undock. There's zero risk and I'm not making a single sacrifice.

SP-mule cyno alts.

SP-mule PI alts.

SP-mule Industry alts.

SP-mule Alts, period.

If you want to give people the ability to customize their characters, add another option to the character sales: For an additional PLEX, you can rename your character, but the original name remains as an alias and remains unavailable to be reused. We already have the ability to resculp, and if it's really such a problem that someone's purchased char is Gallente instead of Caldari or Minmatar instead of Amarr, offer the ability to do a complete character redesign (while keeping the SP) for an additional PLEX, too boot.

I am absolutely against the purchase of SP outside of full-character purchases. We make decisions when we train skills. We make decisions when we purchase characters. If somebody doesn't do the necessary research on the character they're purchasing to find out that they have a bad history, that is on the purchaser.

Every time somebody buys a character, they've made the decision that the skills on that character are more valuable to them than the ISK. If the name, race, bloodline, history, etc., are so badly to somebody's disliking, they won't purchase the character. If they do, they consider that character's positives to be greater than their negatives.

I do not scream, that is the CFC's territory of getting their point across. And listing years of failed attempts at working on several things at once can hardly be called short-sighted. But I get your point. I am not the customer CCP needs anymore, I argue too much, inquire too much, question things too much, I am not satisfied easily enough. CCP needs customers who meek and mild about everything. In fact, this is what the entire economy needs these days because if you just scratch a little bit on the surface, you would get a heart attack about what you are actually subjected to.

I don't like any of this. What I do want is a post in every sale thread declaring who is the seller and who is the buyer and when the transaction took place. Sometimes those details can be unclear, especially when you go back a few years and look. Private sales can lack almost all details beyond the name of the character that is being sold. You don't even know if the char sold or not.

Make my job a little bit easier, please.

I still don't get how this went from a perfectly fine 'Yeah, we need to improve the search on the character bazaar, since it's tedious and hard to use' to just scrapping it altogether and make some more money grabbing options by increasing plex useage.

Also, you're not buying skillpoints on the character bazaar, you are buying a character:

- If you don't want a character with tainted history, do your research and contact corps in it's history. It's not rocket science. If you don't care about history your search is simpler.
- If you want a perfect skilled character you're going to have a premium.
- If you want a quality name or anything, you're going to have to pay.

I don't even understand why these points are considered bad and in need of a change. The only thing this will do is give new players the impression they need to be perfect skilled to do anything in the game.

Why are you catering to the lowest common denomanator?