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Wing Commanders
#81 - 2015-10-02 09:07:51 UTC
I would love to get the opportunity to participate

Have owned one DT3 (I think), but never been that much of an Dessy fan tobehonest.

I am however keen on the concept that was introduced with the DT3, and would like to see it one form or another added to other hulls in EVE.

Why me !?
Most of my time in RL I spend problem solving or bridging peoples differences / opinions. The other part of my day is spent taking care of other peoples ideas and bringing them to fruition.
In EVE I have two main char, one is pure PVP and the other is PVE / PVP mix, building, mining, scanning ect. Small scale PVP to large fleets.

Every group needs the odd-one-out, someone who know´s enough - but isn't an expert, someone who isn't afraid to think vertical when others are thinking horizontal. - And I would like to think that person is me :)

Villore Accords
#82 - 2015-10-02 09:12:23 UTC
i would like to join the focuss group.
i think i can give good feedback these ships, as i fly t3d on a daily basis in FW lowsec, both solo and in small gangs.
especially solo it is very important to know precisely what a ship can do in order to beat it, and i like to think that i am quite competent at this.
though english is not my native language, i have good communication skills and i take joy in a good discussion.

Klatus Doshu
Die Spitzbuben
#83 - 2015-10-02 09:24:52 UTC
I just wanted to add a producer's point view, since there were some statements, that T3D are too cheap.
Well, perhaps you can tweak that, by adding the need to produce also 3 subsytems (offensive, propulsion and defensive) for the 3TD plus of course the hull. Then you assemble it to the final TD3.
You could use the same relics for reverse engineering as for the T3 cruisers, you just have to select which BPC you want you already have to do now.
By the extra effort in research and production the prices should also raise for the T3D. You can adjust the material need for the BPCs in such way, that you gain the desired raise in prices.

This would be only a minor intervention, which perhaps adresses some concerns about the TD3s.

Perhaps one of the people, who will be invited to the focus group, likes that idea and brings it up.


Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#84 - 2015-10-02 11:18:55 UTC
I'm a soloist/wh-dweller in conventional wh-space (mainly c2-c4) and play the rock-paper-scissors game of countering certain fits with specialized vessels for a couple years. I mainly use their roughly related brethren, Interdictors, for everyday pvp. Though my experience with T3Ds is limited (~100 kills with gangs of 3 or less people), I'd like to provide input from a very niche gameplay POV.
Syenna Celeste
The Green Machine
Shadow Cartel
#85 - 2015-10-02 12:08:14 UTC
I've been making extensive use of all four T3D's, particularly the Jackdaw, since their respective releases. The Jackdaw is my single most used PvP ship by number of kills, and I'm in ZKB's top 10 for ships destroyed using a Jackdaw (this might be inaccurate now, in fairness). I can also draw on the experience of my corporation and alliance members, some of whom are large scale T3D producers, and most of whom are regular T3D pilots.

I am out and out an 'elite implants n links' type. I won't be shouting for the little guy, and I thoroughly believe in the 'NOPOORS' mentality, there's no point in lying about that; But I am heavily invested in T3D gameplay and would like to see the class flourish in a sensible place, or at least more sensible than they are now.

I'm a regular slack user already so staying in regular touch with the focus group wouldn't be going out of my way. You won't find many examples of me being constructive on these forums, but I do have a habit of making Reddit posts not all of which are terrible (although some people would argue). I enjoy discussing fittings and balance among my corp and alliancemates and generally our conversations have stayed civil and productive, and everyone has improved as a result.

But yeah. I want competitive, well balanced set of T3D's. I think I can put off my shitposting long enough to contribute to that.

Put your hands around my heart and squeeze me until I'm dry.

Zeta Gaijin
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#86 - 2015-10-02 12:35:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Zeta Gaijin
I am a Director of a wormhole corporation, helped build a little alliance for ourselves, and have used the Jackdaw since it came out, and fought against every single damn T3d. I have lots of experience fighting with and against T3ds in a wormhole context since they came out, and have theory crafted far too many Jackdaw fits (triple MASB ftw).

My corp has used Slack for the last 9 months, and my Slack-fu is strong.

Have taken part in the Wormhole citadel discussion with CCP and CSM

I am also Canadian so polite discussion is a given
Black Romero
Aviation Professionals for EVE
#87 - 2015-10-02 13:45:47 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
So why introduce a focus group now? ← not an unreasonable question.

It's a new initiative that was discussed briefly in the recent CSM minutes, proposed initially by Sion I think as a way to better utilise what the CSM can do and provide a way to include greater expertise in some discussions, especially where the CSM doesn't have that expertise but is limited in what they can do because of NDA:

...And because of all the EVE $hitters on the forums that take up space and attack the devs. Let's be honest here.
Sard Caid
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#88 - 2015-10-02 13:48:39 UTC
I'd like to pitch in.

  • 6+ years of PvP theory crafting, discussion, analysis and guides between my blog and twitch stream
  • Co-captained NEO and AT teams, lead theorycrafting efforts
  • Well rounded in game experience, flown most subcap ships dozens of times in PvP
  • Vast solo, small gang (2-10 man) experience
  • Modest PvE experience
  • Comfortable engaging in debate and argument in non-toxic manner

This is a really cool initiative, thanks for spearheading this!
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#89 - 2015-10-02 13:51:11 UTC
Id be up for this.

Tomski Ruslav
Gladiators of Rage
HERO Coalition.
#90 - 2015-10-02 14:21:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tomski Ruslav
Im up for it. Have flown t3d's a lot, and been on the reciving end of them as well.
Experience from both low sec and 0,0 use of them.

11 years of playing with all kinds of shipclasses, from frigs to supers.
Active and lots of experience with both solo and small gang pvp in these ships.

One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

CCP Fozzie
C C P Alliance
#91 - 2015-10-02 14:40:10 UTC
Thanks to everyone who has thrown their hat in the ring so far. I won't start narrowing down the list until Monday so people have the weekend to hear about this and post.

Game Designer | Team Five-0

Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie

Me ofcourse
Goonswarm Federation
#92 - 2015-10-02 14:51:43 UTC
well im down for this.

been flying t3d's since they were introduced (and then some on sisi) and actually like to therycraft with them and such such as finding their weakness's and strengths :)
Lucius Kalari
Mass Collapse
It Must Be Jelly Cause Jam Don't Shake
#93 - 2015-10-02 15:51:07 UTC
LIMP/PNAH's use T3d's all the time and is one of our favourite ship class, I would be very interested in being a part of this Big smile
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#94 - 2015-10-02 16:05:20 UTC
I use to live in a W-R and run fleets of T3ds(af's before they got obsoleted) as well as a little solo roaming with them. I would be interested in taking part.
Johnny Twelvebore
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#95 - 2015-10-02 16:42:59 UTC
I'd like to be considered, I have flown them all in small gang and the last AT.

Before the Svipul nerf it was oversized AB shield rep Svips and double rep Confessors, then slightly more sensible fits post nerf.

My view is that they are coming towards balanced but not quite there yet, they can be taken down by a determined enemy ideally with a slight number advantage but scale up very quickly with links and good piloting. One on one they are still tough but should be as T3 ships.

Not sure I can offer a magic, straight off fix but hopefully can add a few sensible thoughts.

Bloody hell, another eve blog!

Thanatos Marathon
Villore Accords
#96 - 2015-10-02 17:17:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Thanatos Marathon
I would like to be considered for the Focus Group.

Though there are many better pilots and EFT/PYFA warriors who have already thrown their hats into the ring, and I thank them for it, I would appreciate having someone in the discussion that has a strong grasp of FW mechanics due to the impact these ships currently, as well as going forward, have on the area.

- Than
Mercer Nen
Summicron Holdings
#97 - 2015-10-02 18:17:37 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
We are hoping that using a focus group of this type will allow us to quickly and easily gather feedback from players who have a strong breadth and depth of experience with the ships. If this group goes well, similar formats might be used for other focus groups on other topics.

Seems like an ok format for this specific topic. Especially if you're looking for a discussion group type atmosphere to generate ideas. Possibly a good supplement to other User Research that I hope CCP is doing.

Whatever you do, please don't confuse "Focus groups", regardless of the format, with proper User Research. "Focus Groups" tend to be traditional market research fodder, but are also generally considered to be a substandard research method. The "Focus" part is ok. It's the "Group" part where things tend to go wrong. Focus groups are frequently used to bulk up numbers to add weight to the results ("7 out of 10 people said ..."). Usually at the expense of the quality of the research and insights. Be careful where and when you use it.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#98 - 2015-10-02 20:46:09 UTC
T3D are way too powerfull and relatively inexpensive.

I hope you guys can fix this.

The Tears Must Flow

Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#99 - 2015-10-02 20:51:14 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
T3D are way too powerfull and relatively inexpensive.

I hope you guys can fix this.

yep the estimated cost of D3's by the devs was supposed too be much higher than they actually turned out too be even after the follow up attempt at making them more expensive, but i still don't understand how they thought these wouldn't be a repeat of T3 cruisers mistake were they obsolete so many other ships and classes which was easily forseen by many people who pointed this out too them including myself.

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#100 - 2015-10-02 23:00:50 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
T3D are way too powerfull and relatively inexpensive.

I hope you guys can fix this.

yep the estimated cost of D3's by the devs was supposed too be much higher than they actually turned out too be even after the follow up attempt at making them more expensive, but i still don't understand how they thought these wouldn't be a repeat of T3 cruisers mistake were they obsolete so many other ships and classes which was easily forseen by many people who pointed this out too them including myself.

T3s are fine though and obsolete nothing. T3ds have the svipul which is a 25k ehp 470dps ship, fessor which is 20k ehp and 400dps. Hecate is the only good one there is. Jackdaw has to much ehp. Nearly all of them are basicely cruiser ehp/dps wise with af levels of damage migation, which is to strong.

There are lots of good things about t3ds, things that other ships could profit from a ton, for example the instawarp trick, which makes the ships amazing to roam in as they counter camps. Or the ability to kind of counter ecm and other ewar.

And t3ds are a joy to roam and fight in (at least the 10mn beam fessor is), beatable, hard to fly, hard to master and very potent and very anti "lame" as it does have answers to linked snaked 8km/s garmurs and the like.

Id rather have afs go away (which are made totally obsolete by t3ds) then t3ds, which says a lot about both ship classes. I think their key lies in the problem that 10mn kiting fits for the confessor and arty fits for the svipul are something good for the game, but both in turn enable over tanked bullshit fits as the fitting room just is there for them. So if you nerf fitting to much the good fits die but the already lame ones only take a minor hit - which is a bad thing. For the svipul the problem is mainly that the fitting difference between acs and artys is to absurd, so if you enable any arty fits ac fits can fit whatever they want, and if you optimize fittings for acs artys can never get fitted.