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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#121 - 2015-10-05 13:26:42 UTC
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
New destroyers are coming. What's the point of having focused group now? Will you balancing them in their own class?

The new destroyers are something quite different and don't really overlap with the Tactical Destroyers.

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Selto Black
Apotheosis.
#122 - 2015-10-05 14:39:12 UTC
Is there an E.T.A. for this focus group as of yet?
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#123 - 2015-10-05 14:49:18 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
New destroyers are coming. What's the point of having focused group now? Will you balancing them in their own class?

The new destroyers are something quite different and don't really overlap with the Tactical Destroyers.


It seems that destroyers have nade a huge turn, from "..and there are also destroyers, but who cares" to "start training for svipul asap"

Lim Hiaret
Hiaret Family
#124 - 2015-10-05 15:36:32 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:


  • When selecting focus group members, we will be looking for people who can demonstrate the ability to communicate effectively and provide reasoned and calm feedback. We also want the members to have significant experience flying the Tactical Destroyers and to have strong knowledge of EVE gameplay, fittings and balance



Wait what? For whom are you designing these T3s than? PVP morons like me, or trollish people like me are no longer allowed in or what? I feel underrepresented!

Here is my thoughts than:
- a mode assistance, automatic management of mode switching
- a jester mode, no guns, no tank, high speed, bubble immunity and automated smack talk
- a meta game mode, fight denying for enemies with negative standing

Also I want the date on the promised
- honeymoon mode
- rainbow pony mode
- reverse gear mode

Evil
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#125 - 2015-10-05 15:59:59 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Also prevent T3D from entering small FW complexes.


No, smalls are made for them destroyer and smaller. If you want frig only go into a novice or bring a group of frigs into the small vs trying to solo a t3d in your frig.
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
#126 - 2015-10-05 16:19:15 UTC
You wanna fix T3Ds? Just change it so they cannot fit 10mn ABs (Can fit 10MN AB = False), and make the time between switching to different modes longer. I say from 30 seconds to a minute at least.
Liam Inkuras
dead.Orbit
#127 - 2015-10-05 16:21:21 UTC
Leonardo Adami wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Also prevent T3D from entering small FW complexes.


No, smalls are made for them destroyer and smaller. If you want frig only go into a novice or bring a group of frigs into the small vs trying to solo a t3d in your frig.

Tech 3 Cruisers can't enter mediums. It only makes sense to disallow T3 Destroyers from entering smalls, on top of the fact they completely dominate anything else in or below their class.

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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#128 - 2015-10-05 16:30:19 UTC
more like it would make sense for T3Cs and T3Ds to become balanced instead
Alexis Nightwish
#129 - 2015-10-05 18:17:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexis Nightwish
I think it's outstanding that CCP is willing to put together a focus group of players to leverage our experience with the game to help fix the T3Ds.

No, seriously, that's ******* cool. Big smile


I don't know how many people you plan to have in the group, but if you need someone who


  • Has their Masters in EFT.
  • Has total command of the English language.
  • Has Slack experience.
  • Loves theory crafting.
  • Loves fixing things.
  • Loves systems and numbers.
  • Can, and often does, think outside the box/meta/status quo.
  • Fights for balance above all other factors.
  • Won't argue for/against a change because of a group's agenda. Balance is my agenda.
  • Can argue a case without making it personal.
  • Doesn't have an ego to get hurt just because someone disagrees with me.
  • Can accept someone else's point of view if they can prove it.
  • Truly wants the game to be fun for everyone.
  • Wants every ship to have a role.


then please consider me for the focus group.

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Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#130 - 2015-10-05 20:53:51 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Leonardo Adami wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Also prevent T3D from entering small FW complexes.


No, smalls are made for them destroyer and smaller. If you want frig only go into a novice or bring a group of frigs into the small vs trying to solo a t3d in your frig.

Tech 3 Cruisers can't enter mediums. It only makes sense to disallow T3 Destroyers from entering smalls, on top of the fact they completely dominate anything else in or below their class.


So you want the t3d's to be buffed significantly so they can consistently fight cruiser sized hulls and above? Cause pretty much any t1 cruiser can just about obliterate t3d's. By forcing them into medium/large you are inherently asking them to be buffed so that they will be capable of fighting t1cruisers/faction cruisers etc..

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#131 - 2015-10-05 21:04:43 UTC
Leonardo Adami wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Leonardo Adami wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Also prevent T3D from entering small FW complexes.


No, smalls are made for them destroyer and smaller. If you want frig only go into a novice or bring a group of frigs into the small vs trying to solo a t3d in your frig.

Tech 3 Cruisers can't enter mediums. It only makes sense to disallow T3 Destroyers from entering smalls, on top of the fact they completely dominate anything else in or below their class.


So you want the t3d's to be buffed significantly so they can consistently fight cruiser sized hulls and above? Cause pretty much any t1 cruiser can just about obliterate t3d's. By forcing them into medium/large you are inherently asking them to be buffed so that they will be capable of fighting t1cruisers/faction cruisers etc..



I'm pretty sure they fare better against T1 cruiser than T1 destroyer fare against their T2 variant even if they are in the same PLEX class...
MrQuisno
Doomheim
#132 - 2015-10-05 22:00:39 UTC  |  Edited by: MrQuisno
Hello,

Threw my name in the hat as well. I'm always looking to see what I can do with new ships. Taking the ships to the max fit and use it in different types of fights. The new ships are base on large or small gang warfare. Since they will be a smaller ship i'm sure they will be glass tank with high damage out put at which range... Many questions to be answered and tested out ideas here. I like to have fun and not cause drama.. Shocked
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
#133 - 2015-10-06 01:04:07 UTC
Leonardo Adami wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Leonardo Adami wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Also prevent T3D from entering small FW complexes.


No, smalls are made for them destroyer and smaller. If you want frig only go into a novice or bring a group of frigs into the small vs trying to solo a t3d in your frig.

Tech 3 Cruisers can't enter mediums. It only makes sense to disallow T3 Destroyers from entering smalls, on top of the fact they completely dominate anything else in or below their class.


So you want the t3d's to be buffed significantly so they can consistently fight cruiser sized hulls and above? Cause pretty much any t1 cruiser can just about obliterate t3d's. By forcing them into medium/large you are inherently asking them to be buffed so that they will be capable of fighting t1cruisers/faction cruisers etc..


Im fairly confident it is going to happen - T3D being restricted from small plexes:

http://www.lowseclifestyle.com/2015/10/csmx-post-30.html?m=1
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#134 - 2015-10-06 06:34:35 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Im fairly confident it is going to happen - T3D being restricted from small plexes:

http://www.lowseclifestyle.com/2015/10/csmx-post-30.html?m=1

That is poor game balancing. It's like they admit they will be OP and they don't do anything about it. Simple solution ban the hull...

CCP Fozzie wrote:
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
New destroyers are coming. What's the point of having focused group now? Will you balancing them in their own class?
The new destroyers are something quite different and don't really overlap with the Tactical Destroyers.

You don't know what our beloved community will do with them. Remember polarized modules? They suppose to be some new opportunities, yet they are niche modules.
Fozzie, where do you see D3? As a bridge between frigate and cruiser class?

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

ArmyOfMe
Teddybears.
Dead Terrorists
#135 - 2015-10-06 11:24:11 UTC
Leonardo Adami wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Also prevent T3D from entering small FW complexes.


No, smalls are made for them destroyer and smaller. If you want frig only go into a novice or bring a group of frigs into the small vs trying to solo a t3d in your frig.

Limit small plexes to t1 dessies and below and a lot of the current issues in regards to af's would be fixed as well.

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.

Motorbit
Moira.
Villore Accords
#136 - 2015-10-06 15:16:23 UTC
that demand to ban t3d from small plexes comes to my expirience mostly from players that are not even enlisted and use fw complexes to get solo fights.

while i think that its great that anyone can find good fights in fw, i dont think that the ability to whore on fw content should be the top priority on balancing the fw content.

especially on system battle lvl, what matters for us fw guys is isk efficiency, and as it is now, its already very hard to come out isk efficient with t3d fleet in small complexes when fighting cheap fitted t1 dessies.
in this meta, t3d already are rather unpopular.

this basically means, if you ban t3d from small, you ban them from fw, because they realy have no buisiness in fighting over medium complexes on fw fleet lvl.
i would realy hate to see this happen.


another argument is, that there will always be the one strongest thingy in any set of rules.
after you ban t3d, will you ban hacs from meds? pirate frigs from novice? where will you stop? should the ban the strongest ship go on till everything is banned everywhere exept non faction t1 frigates?
that doesnt make much sense in my oppionion.

i think t3d are fine in small complexes.
the problems with t3d are not that they can enter small complexes, and it wont be fixed by banning them from small complexes.
i would rather see Assault frigates, projectile weapons and all minmatar ships getting a look at then punishing t3d for problems that are caused by other ships and modules.

that said, i think insurance is a bit broken for t3d. some of them have way to high insurance payout and its much to cheap to lose them, others have almost no insurance at all.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#137 - 2015-10-06 15:20:30 UTC
I would like to get some statistics from CCP how T3Ds are used before the discussion starts... personally I would like to "ban" oversized prop mods from Svipuls and Confessors and make links much less effective to them in general. Also it should be so that short range weapons are favorable than long range - to fight the kiting meta and cater for the unique capabilities of mode switching and probing.

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SidtheKid100
Black Aces
Goonswarm Federation
#138 - 2015-10-06 20:15:40 UTC  |  Edited by: SidtheKid100
Trinkets friend wrote:
SidtheKid100 wrote:
Hello,

I would love to join a focus group around T3Ds. PvP is my primary activity in EVE and one thing I've noticed after returning to the game less than 3 months ago is how quickly T3Ds have proliferated across the cluster. I believe I have had extensive exposure to all 4 (flying 3 myself).

Thanks for putting forward a new initiative for player feedback.


Really? Sid, mate, leave this to the adults.




Sorry, you old fogeys are too busy flying blap peonises to know what us yung un's are up to.

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Arla Sarain
#139 - 2015-10-06 21:13:00 UTC
Jeremiah Saken wrote:

Fozzie, where do you see D3? As a bridge between frigate and cruiser class?

A cruiser with frig signature and tracking.
W0lf Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2015-10-06 21:59:11 UTC
Imo if t3ds where light assault cruisers, would costs between hacs and faction cruisers, have ****** insurance, had cruiser rights (no smalls) they could even be rebuffed to their orignal state and they still would be fine, they are just so incredebly good as a solo or small scale ship isk/performance wise.