Player Features and Ideas Discussion

+1 to this. This sort of thing is exactly what I was hoping for. New players want to try things and see what they can do. With this, they can do a lot of things immediately--if badly, but that's OK. They can even overheat modules!

This should make the new player experience in EVE significantly less frustrating.

By reading, watching videos, reading some more and even more, chatting to ppl in channels and talking on comms. Lots of veteran players do play waiting game (for other reasons, like bad sov mechanics, nerfed titans etc), they dont log in EVE, they may even log in other games - but they keep connection with EVE.
Newbies will not have time to read about Band of Brothers, t20, have no time to watch RnK films, kil2 roams, they will not find a wonderful toy of EFT and photo of Chribba's tattoo. They will be busy grinding standing to get to lvl4's, to mine minerals for the drake - because that's what would be the obstacle to get to ~endgame~.

It would actually be really nice for any existing players to have their skills bumped up to those "minimum" levels. As someone who's played for under 10 months, I may have missed vital skills off the bat. Gotta' get those awesome mining skills, you know? Seriously, though, a kickback for players who don't have those skills trained already would be really nice. It doesn't matter too much to those with over 50 mil skill points, but for those of us who're already skill-point-gimped from the attribute system/implant system (risk/reward tradeoffs of having fun versus getting skill points), it would be a godsend to throw either SP or those skills our way.

That, and I have an under-2-mil-sp alt that literally has none of the support skills trained, it's just a "move my stuff about for me" alt (but not even a hauler). Honestly, I'd be better off biomassing a month-plexed character and making a new one after this patch hits if that's a thing, just for ease of getting all the skills injected.

CCP definitely boost everyone's skill levels up to the new set if they haven't already trained it.

Unallocated SP is too powerful, and giving our younger newbros a general skillset won't be too much of a buff to alts.

My character is 3 weeks old now, does this mean that im no longer a new player?

Good change. Now just please remove attribute implants.

Excellent step in the right direction, though I do feel there is some merit in Mag's request for some choosing of a profession to start. A guy who wants to play Eve and mine is probably not gonna want 1/8th of his SP in gunnery when it would better suit him in shields by far. Choice and the resulting consequences that follow are also important.

That's not a good way of handling things. This not only sets an unnecessary precedent for skill training and skill injection incoherence (As if Command Ships without warfare skills trained wasn't nice enough already), it would also remove necessary money sinks from the game.

Frigs are more than enough for new players to toy around with and experience many activities of the game. What they want is not really of any concern as they cannot afford any of these ships or equip these ships to begin with. If they want to fly big toys, they train for them. Period.

Concerns about them not being able to engage with the community are also laughable. Training and waiting for something new to unlock are essential parts in virtually all the games on the market. Besides, the waiting time is the time for experienced players (EP) to shine and teach the new players something before they try it out in the wild. It is also the time where experienced players can take new players with them, for instance, in missions and make them deal with certain ships (frigs, for instance) while the EP takes care of the real deal (as it has been brought up in the NPEQandA thread by someone). I do not see any reason to shorten the waiting time for new players and old players alike. What needs to be changed is the things they can do during the waiting time, and for that both players and CCP need to find ways.
For example, make a tutorial mission or Opportunities task that sends them to low sec to reach a location or pick something up. Give them some hints (check dotlan for kills (not "check the map for kills". The map is most useless in that regard as it lacks the vital information dotlan provides), check for activity, check for alternative routes, etc.) and let them figure out things. They will die, they will get ridiculed, they will probably get scammed, however, they will experience what it is to actually PVP and through the hints what it takes, among other things, to prepare yourself and use the game to your advantage. I have described that in the NPEQandA thread as well.

Outstanding change, and most excellent choice of starting skills to add! I particularly like that you including Salvaging. My only suggestion would be Evasive Maneuvering at 3

This change also makes it simpler for us to theorycraft Day 1 new player fits!

That would make too much sense, and be far too fair. Plus it would require math.




So, just give him combat skills, because you know, what sandbox?