EVE General Discussion

So, about your stuff...

Is waiting for you in w-space.

The first fail is waiting for CCP to provide the content in the sandbox.

While I agree with much of what you posted I feel that you're wrong about this.

I generally point newbies interested in the darker side of Eve at mercs and gankers that I know to be friendly and willing to spend a little time with a newbie that's interested, most if not all are welcomed and shown the ropes.

The 30M SP requirements of some corps is often down to the need to fly doctrine ships and is sometimes waived in the case of somebody that'll be a good fit. It's always worth having a chat and asking even if they state an SP requirement, they may waive their SP requirement or they may have an associated corp that would be interested.

BUT if CCP does what you want them do, the perception will magically change for the better.

And you get what you want! But of course what is important is that the Decline in numbers... will start to turn into less-RAPID!!!

In a sandbox, the content are the tools provided. No tools = no content. You bet I've been waiting for more tools since 2010 and still nothing.

Source or GTFO.

This is still the case, I haul regularly through chokepoints and have never been hit.

I disagree, ganking appears to have become more prolific because the gankers have become media savvy and are using the tools at their disposal to spread their propaganda. Not every hauler is a target, properly tanked and with an isk limit some of the T1 haulers cost considerably more to gank than they're worth in possible loot; ganking miners has been in fashion since at least 2009 when the first Hulkageddon took place.

Did it? Killboard evidence suggests otherwise; for all you miners out there, a small shield booster is not a tank.

Does Dinsdale know that you've been inhaling his stash?

You could always try not being there when they arrive, I never am.

There's this thing called local and a mechanic called standings, used in conjunction with each other in the right way they let you see every single member of CODE. that is in the same system as you. There's also this thing called the directional scanner, you should try using it to spot possible gankers by ship type within a set radius.

The doctrine part is something I am aware of. Back with pods, and clone costs, etc. Having expendible rookies was a liability. I am the same as you. The part that gets me is that there are people that firmly believe you need a years worth of SP just to pvp because they are so concerned with killboards and losses instead of letting new players act as electronic or small logistic support. It does not take much to turn a tide in a fight. Course if you suddenly have 10 people and encounter a fleet of 5, then probably the fight will end. So lack of good fights also hurts this concept.

Even if i have no interest in a play style, I do still point people and discuss it with them in a constructive manner. Is what I mean about the gank first. If I was actually working the way legitimately, the bullshit that the "helping the players" ganking spew, I would do it entirely different.

I see newb in bad ship, I set them to red standing and give em a message. "Nice ship, tell em their flaw, and that it is a warning out of courtesy. Next time I will shoot."

I would then gank the reds I see. If said red is now in a good or corrected fit, I would set them to yellow. Suddenly I am ganking, waking the player up, and at the same time, improving the community. A message saying fit up, pay up, or die to a new player would get hell of a lot more results. It isn't the concept of play that I disagree with, it is the execution.




That is crossing risk with a business expense. If a risk is managed, is it a warrantable risk? Is what I say about incursions. Incursions were risky, so the risk/reward was balanced. But the meta and scripting got it so sorted, that the risk is essentially gone. There is POTENTIAL for risk, but is rare enough that it just does not happen at this time.

Makes me wonder, anything can be ganked. Why are not these newbie miner gankers going after the entitled elitists in full A and X type fitted faction ships?

That is really what says much of it for me and their actions. They just want tears and to kick puppies. If they truly believed what they spewed, they would go after that which has the greatest tears instead of that which would cause the most harm to the new player base.

I do suspect they do not want to bite the hand that feeds them...

This is a problem.

The solution however, isn't to make Hi Sec safer. Antagonists need somewhere to create content, and right now, it's the best place to do so. Is it wrong for predators to follow the prey?

What you want to do is fix low and NPC null to make it more accessible and liveable for new players, such that they have a place to have fun doing their own thing or with their immediate friends, and are encouraged to take risks and learn things until they figure out who they are in New Eden. There should be more visible options for new players than either rotting in High Sec, or joining one of the zerg-herding reddit based sov corps. It would make for a more engaging game, and definitely a more exciting new player experience.