Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Confirming Lucas is correct, I'm the best way to give him a headache.

On the off chance that ccp dudes are still reading this and care for more feedback, I'll post some thoughts on the current sov system.


The core sov system is, fundamentally, not bad. Structure shoots are gone, which is good. Capital fleets crisscrossing the entire map in 5 minutes is no longer a thing, which is good. Smaller groups have, at least briefly, been able to take sov in areas of unused space, which is good. With structure shoots gone, taking undefended space is much faster, which makes sense.

There are however, some issues. Sov used to be the domain of 200+ man cruiser, T3, Capital, BS, and BC fights. I enjoyed many of those fights - those fights which are becoming increasingly rare. Now it's the domain of Ceptors and T3D's.

The problem isn't that I can't catch ceptors, I can with some success using remote sebos and the like. The problem is that hunting trollceptors all day long gets stale, fast. It's tedious low risk combat. If I wanted that, I'd go to fac war - it pays better. Hell, most of the time it isn't even combat - most trollceptors don't shoot back.


The entosis link has fundamentally shifted core sov doctrines away from cruisers, battleships, and capitals to interceptors and T3 destroyers. This is bad. Very many low risk frigate fights lead to tedium. The content I was getting pre-aegis (100 man cruiser fights against reavers) was more engaging then the content I'm getting now. This is bad. We already have an arena for many low risk fights - fac war. Why do we need a second fac war? And where do the people that like 200 man cruiser fights go for their content?

Fortunately, there are knobs that can be turned in this system. One knob is ship speed. Taking sov should require a commitment of ships to a particular grid. You try to take a sov node? You take it or you lose your ship. No middle ground.

To that end, I would suggest reducing max velocity of entosis ships to somewhere around 1000 m/s - this is afterburner frigate speed, and I believe it to be entirely reasonable. Better still would be to set speed to 0 m/s ala cynos - that way you'd have to (god forbid) bring a support fleet to take sov, but I don't think you'll go for that.

You know, goons are not among the wiesest and brighest of eve, and I do not like them, but you know who has even less sttus to talk about what is right or wrong? Pator tech school.

If you want examples of how this Sov Mechanic is being used just look to Providence. 50+ man trollceptor fleets rolling around capturing everything in sight. I logged in today with 355 notifications about captured services. Within 3-5 hours I had at least another 100.

Well, we tried to warn everyone about this.

The Cancer of New Eden will do cancerous things. No sane people that want the game to survive would ever do the things Goons are so proud off.

In dozens of systems at the same time? Easily relocatable into 200, 300 people, crushing on a defending fleet? So back to Tidi fights that everyone loved so much prior to Aegis. Or cruisers that are specifically fitted to evade fights and kill ceptors that try to intercept?
You also do realize that people are already and still doing this, right?

You don't want to see that numbers are going to ruin every single mechanic CCP puts out in the wild, do you?

Has there been any discussion or even mention of chamging the vulnerability window to not only be for a single TZ?

Interceptors can easily blast through gatecamps and bubbles, able to have their own bubbles deployed on grid to cause defenders who aren't in interceptors problems. BCs cannot.

Citation needed.


So despite being stated at least twice that was about evasion built T3 nullified cruisers you still gewned and demonstrated typical reading comprehension failure in attempting to switch the context back to trollceptors?


ad gewnminem at its finest.