Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We're not suggesting supercaps need to be used, but allowing sov to be contested by a solo frigate is too far the other way.

No it doesn't, it favours those who can get the most small ships out on the field, which is still us. Nobody is running circles around us, we're not losing our space, we're simply pointing out how dull a mechanic is when it primarily involves chasing disposable evasion fit ships. You guys are so "grr goons" that you would swear blind that the moon is made of brie if goons claimed it wasn't, so you're unable to see past your prejudice to see the faults in the system.

Any yet here you are fighting to keep said imbalances.

Where is the insanity in saying chasing around ships you cant catch isn't fun?

This stupid speed limit just made the Orthus the go to ship to deal with anything trying to take you SOV. It Can do 5km with no links (Overheated MWD). Is unmatchable with links. And can apply damage to all the things with rapid lites. But the ship that is doing the Entosing has no reps from logi and is now so dam slow that it can be hit by a Dread.

And an even bigger issue. A frig sized ship with a speed limit of 4KM is not going to be able to be combat effective against anything that comes to contest the node. It will not be able to overload it's MWD to land a scram on anything. This gimping of any combat is dam stupid. If a SOV holding group can not deal with 1 frig Entosing their SOV, They should not HOLD SOV.

And 500MN MWD cruisers are so easy to deal with, It's just too funny. 1 Scam from a interceptor and a quick warp from the rest of you SOV holding group will kill it all to easy.

The speed limit is just plan wrong.

How am I to bait out PvP if my bait ship is speed gimped and can't tackle anything?

Doesn't matter, gotta post.

I feel like this discussion will go on at least as long as the never-ending debate concerning the "AFK-cloaker." It's the same stupid argument. The AFK-cloaker is not a threat until he is not AFK. This is apparently psychologically damaging to many folks. The solution is to be prepared to fight him (and his hot dropper friends) whenever he chooses. Some would say it makes for bad game play. Others disagree.

Similarly, the sov troll is not a threat to your sovereignty, unless you do not respond to his trolling. If you do respond to his trolling, he runs away, having successfully made you respond to his trolling. Some would say this makes for bad game play. Others disagree.

In either case, the argument results from a perceived imbalance in the amount of effort required to affect someone else's game. This is a fundamental game design issue, which can really only be solved by CCP. Preventing weaponized boredom should be one of CCP's guiding principles as they implement new improvements to Eve.

I really envy Rivr Luzade, who apparently has only had people bring real fleet compositions to ping his sovereignty. Those people clearly need to stop "being bad at Eve." It would really suck for him if someone decided to start ringing his doorbell a few hundred times a day.

For me, sov trolling interceptors are at least as bad as siegefleet, which I already established somewhere between mosquitoes and Thai lady-boys in my scale of "things which suck and I want nothing to do with."

The analogy is dumb, because trollceptor is literally zero threat to anything with more than 2 guns/drones. (ED: FFS, he's even self-tackled on a node and you are informed about it...)
The AFK cloaker (who is never actually afk) is a certain death threat to a fleet of any size and composition.

But it takes a gewn holing himself and crying in undroppable Deklein to not see a difference.

There is no weaponized boredom here. You shouldn't have sov you can't undock to defend. Fozziesov promised a general principle that uncontested sov should be easily captureable by a single frigate, so go and contest it, and if it's too hard to contest all those systems you can't use, then drop them.

Well if spending 55 minutes orbiting to finally achieve the incredible result of making the defenders undock a low SP alt in Griffin is enough to have you whooping at the screen "WOLOLOL I TROLL U!!!" then I could just about see your point.

Is it enough for you?

I would also point out that the meta for Goons is using boredom against their enemies. There was a widely distributed soundcloud of a guy in Goons trying to advocate for participating in fights and several Goon higher-ups praising the merits of blue-balling, denying fights, staying docked, and generally not engaging in actual warfare.

We're finding ways to enjoy the Sov system even in its current state, finding some pretty good fights along the way. No one says they love the current system and trollceptors are definitely a key problem, but a speed limit may be just fine.

One thing that is true: EVE players are smart (way smarter than the worst posts in this thread would indicate) and will always figure out how to best deal with any game mechanic. Most of us are looking for cool fights and fun. If you come from an alliance that is all about controlling a vast empire and making ISK hand over fist, then it is likely you won't like the "small gang" and "localization" effort that is going on.

By the way, we still get big cap fights and some amazing escalations even in the current sub-optimal sov system. I think Galatea will only improve things.

But it's not mainly goons. There's an entire thread set up with a petition from groups who aren't goons with similar complaints. Most people involved in actually holding sov have these complaints, while generally the ones suggesting the mechanics are good are NPC corp players and groups with no intention of actually holding sov.

Uhh, not really. The feedback on mechanics will be primarily given by the players it most affects.