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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#861 - 2015-08-19 02:59:38 UTC
Snowmann wrote:
What does that say about this feedback thread on Aegis Sov?

It's not worth much more than other GD threads, that's what

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#862 - 2015-08-19 06:35:35 UTC
Snowmann wrote:
I find it interesting to go back and look at thread stats from time to time because they can be so telling.

Really, the top poster has more posts than the second and third combined.
What does that say about this feedback thread on Aegis Sov?
I've invited you guys to collate the feedback from the other sources too if you want to, but no, you'd rather keep harping on about thread stats as if that means a damn thing. Honestly, it show you have no valid arguments when that's the best you can come up with.


Sonya Corvinus wrote:
You're a fun person. Unblue yourself from the 50k+ accounts you are bearing it up with ATM and we can talk. until then, you're just funny.

If you don't understand that...well...not much I can do
No thanks.

And I understand. You hate my playstyle and want me to play like you. Again, no thanks. Continue living in your nice, safe lowsec and leave the discussions about sov mechanics to people that it actually affects.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#863 - 2015-08-19 06:43:06 UTC
It's fine, even if we have 50k+ blues, it only takes 50 greys from moa to take us down.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#864 - 2015-08-19 07:02:59 UTC
So far, getting blueballed just as before but now we aren't using any ammo. I haven't decided if I like it or don't.

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Seth Kanan
Virgins of Santa Maria
SONS of BANE
#865 - 2015-08-19 11:17:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Seth Kanan
Lucas Kell wrote:
Seth Kanan wrote:
If running away and avoiding fights are the only things you do, you can't blame the mechanic. That is probably why the new system is boring to you. Try to commit to fights. A lot of people are enjoying the skirmishes and are having fun taking sov. The insecurity keeps people from claiming sov in various regions and some bigger entities are keeping smaller ones out, but that will change. It is funny to see how many people who are blue to half of new eden complain about not having fights. CCP will iterate on the mechanics of course but they are not agreeing on any problems some people are making up here. I can only repeat that the new system works great and a lot of the critique is ridiculous.
We're not running away, that's what the attackers are doing. Defender have to commit to a fight, they have no choice if they want to keep their sov. Attackers have to commit to nothing.

And yes, CCP have made comments that seem to support what most of us are saying here. You should read reddit, for some reason CCP tends to respond a lot more there.


What CCP is agreeing upon seems to be more open to interpretation. What happened at the roundtable was bad and people even spread lies on reddit about what CCP said there. Another example which shows how biased a lot of the discussions around the new mechanics are.

Nevertheless the iterations which were announced recently look good. I'm glad to see that they took care of the issues.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#866 - 2015-08-19 12:07:14 UTC
Seth Kanan wrote:
people even spread lies on reddit

I'm really taken aback by this.

It totally shook up sov my view of Reddit.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#867 - 2015-08-19 12:42:08 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Seth Kanan wrote:
people even spread lies on reddit

I'm really taken aback by this.

It totally shook up sov my view of Reddit.

Wait, people were lying!? On the internet!? To advance their own point of view or agenda!? And a goon is surprised by this!?

Is good joke senior Lol

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#868 - 2015-08-19 12:45:29 UTC
Seth Kanan wrote:
What CCP is agreeing upon seems to be more open to interpretation. What happened at the roundtable was bad and people even spread lies on reddit about what CCP said there. Another example which shows how biased a lot of the discussions around the new mechanics are.
People have a hard time posting as CCP users when they aren't CCP. As for the roundtable "lies" it was merely interpretation, and to be quite honest, I got the same impression from it. It sounded like they were fine with the idea that you can either be an aggressor or a defender, not both, thus killing off the idea that sov holders attack each other.

Seth Kanan wrote:
Nevertheless the iterations which were announced recently look good. I'm glad to see that they took care of the issues.
The iterations are dire and won't cull the current drop in server population. Even the smaller groups who were originally like "yay, beat up the blobs!" are getting bored of the mechanics, and this change looks like it's shaping up to be the equivalent of a normal weekday patch rather than a release cycle.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#869 - 2015-08-19 12:48:14 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Seth Kanan wrote:
Nevertheless the iterations which were announced recently look good. I'm glad to see that they took care of the issues.
The iterations are dire and won't cull the current drop in server population. Even the smaller groups who were originally like "yay, beat up the blobs!" are getting bored of the mechanics, and this change looks like it's shaping up to be the equivalent of a normal weekday patch rather than a release cycle.

massadeath says otherwise

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#870 - 2015-08-19 13:33:17 UTC
Hmm, so max speed will now be capped on entosis ships at 4km/s, eh? Well, that should make my Orthrus a one man sov defense machine. Countering one poorly balanced ship class with a poorly balanced faction hull. This should be amusing.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#871 - 2015-08-19 14:05:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
Lucas Kell wrote:

No thanks.

And I understand. You hate my playstyle and want me to play like you. Again, no thanks. Continue living in your nice, safe lowsec and leave the discussions about sov mechanics to people that it actually affects.


/sigh. you still don't understand. You chose to join a group that is blue to over 50k accounts. That invalidates your right to complain about a lack of fights.

And I've been in WHs for a while now, not LS. Come on out here if you want content.
Judge Ment
Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate
#872 - 2015-08-19 14:12:33 UTC
Oh where do I sign up for pvp?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#873 - 2015-08-19 14:15:34 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:

No thanks.

And I understand. You hate my playstyle and want me to play like you. Again, no thanks. Continue living in your nice, safe lowsec and leave the discussions about sov mechanics to people that it actually affects.
/sigh. you still don't understand. You chose to join a group that is blue to over 50k accounts. That invalidates your right to complain about a lack of fights.

And I've been in WHs for a while now, not LS. Come on out here if you want content.
Wrong. I have the right to complain about whatever I want, especially if it's changes to my own playstyle. And again, no thanks. I will continue to play in the way I want to. I won't tell you to play my way, stop trying to tell me to play yours.

And trust me, I understand what you are saying, I simply disagree with you. Accept that opinions differ.

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#874 - 2015-08-19 14:33:07 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Wrong. I have the right to complain about whatever I want, especially if it's changes to my own playstyle. And again, no thanks. I will continue to play in the way I want to. I won't tell you to play my way, stop trying to tell me to play yours.

And trust me, I understand what you are saying, I simply disagree with you. Accept that opinions differ.


Mate, take your own advice. If you didn't want to tell anyone how to play, you wouldn't be posting in this thread at all.

Pot, meet kettle.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#875 - 2015-08-19 14:43:17 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Wrong. I have the right to complain about whatever I want, especially if it's changes to my own playstyle. And again, no thanks. I will continue to play in the way I want to. I won't tell you to play my way, stop trying to tell me to play yours.

And trust me, I understand what you are saying, I simply disagree with you. Accept that opinions differ.
Mate, take your own advice. If you didn't want to tell anyone how to play, you wouldn't be posting in this thread at all.

Pot, meet kettle.
What?
This is a thread about the mechanics of living in the space I live in. It's exactly the place to discuss feedback of changes to my playstyle. You don't use sov, you don't live in sov and you've made it clear you despise those that do. Your opinions of me or my playstyle are worth less than nothing.

I'm done back and forthing with you. I'll continue to hold my views and express my opinions on my own playstyle, but if you have nothing constructive to add I have no time for you. It might do you well to get over whatever butthurt SMA left you with and move on.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#876 - 2015-08-19 14:52:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:

No thanks.

And I understand. You hate my playstyle and want me to play like you. Again, no thanks. Continue living in your nice, safe lowsec and leave the discussions about sov mechanics to people that it actually affects.


/sigh. you still don't understand. You chose to join a group that is blue to over 50k accounts. That invalidates your right to complain about a lack of fights.

And I've been in WHs for a while now, not LS. Come on out here if you want content.


Here is the underlying prejudice that prevents this poster from understanding.

I'm not a member of his group. I'm fighting his group and,well, basically everyone who even passes within a light year of Curse it seems (last night, no less than FIVE different alliances passed through our space (From Gorgon to those Furnace wormhole guys). What others are trying to explain to you is that regardless of it's other merits, the new sov system fails at the one thing it should aim for. It's not fun for those of us brought in to EVE with the promise of 'fleet battles'.

Aegis Sov is nothing less than a repudiation by CCP of one of the things that made the game epic. Sure they made it get out of control be creating a system (Dominion) that encouraged excesses and thus stagnation, but their 'fix' amounted to CCP saying "screw it, lets just replicate the feel and small gang/wackamole "epeen measuring contest" action of Faction Warfare/Low Sec and be done with it".

If I wanted FW, I'd have stayed in FW. You're a wormhole person, imagine CCP totally trashed wormholes with gates and started allowing cynos ie turning it into null sec, how happy would you be about that?

No one is expecting perfection, but CCP saying to us that one of the lynchpin activities (fleet battles) that drew some of us in just aren't on the menu is a hefty kick in the teeth.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#877 - 2015-08-19 17:20:01 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aegis Sov is nothing less than a repudiation by CCP of one of the things that made the game epic.

Maybe the game shouldn't be epic anymore.

Maybe the new vision of eve should be elite small gang skill trollceptor duels

1v1 me at the structure.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#878 - 2015-08-19 18:42:18 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aegis Sov is nothing less than a repudiation by CCP of one of the things that made the game epic.

Maybe the game shouldn't be epic anymore.

Maybe the new vision of eve should be elite small gang skill trollceptor duels

1v1 me at the structure.

I tried to 1v1 a couple at the structure. They ran away. :(
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#879 - 2015-08-19 19:12:53 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

If I wanted FW, I'd have stayed in FW. You're a wormhole person, imagine CCP totally trashed wormholes with gates and started allowing cynos ie turning it into null sec, how happy would you be about that?

No one is expecting perfection, but CCP saying to us that one of the lynchpin activities (fleet battles) that drew some of us in just aren't on the menu is a hefty kick in the teeth.


In this thread I learned having to defend space you choose to own instead of having vast AFK empires makes something FW.

The proposed speed cap changes to entorsis seems like a decent middle ground ATM
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#880 - 2015-08-19 19:40:21 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

If I wanted FW, I'd have stayed in FW. You're a wormhole person, imagine CCP totally trashed wormholes with gates and started allowing cynos ie turning it into null sec, how happy would you be about that?

No one is expecting perfection, but CCP saying to us that one of the lynchpin activities (fleet battles) that drew some of us in just aren't on the menu is a hefty kick in the teeth.


In this thread I learned having to defend space you choose to own instead of having vast AFK empires makes something FW.

The proposed speed cap changes to entorsis seems like a decent middle ground ATM


What large afk empire? My alliance holds 28 systems, we use them, I know, I rat in them lol.

It's not that you don't understand what I'm talking about, it's that you don't want to. Frankly, I don't understand the idea of someone not wanting to know the truth of a situation. People who can't see past their own narrow (and in your case, outsider) perspective probably sholdn't join in on discussions like this, as most of the discussion will fly over your head.

Answer my question, how would you like the null-secification of your wormhole space? I mean, it would be ok right, seeing as you're fully happy with CCPs lowseccing of null?

And the entosis ship speed changes? Why are you stuck on the troll ceptor thing, trollceptors are nothing, gnats easily swatted. The issue is the focus of the Sov system being "small force wackamole" ala FW that gets REALLY tired after about 15 seconds even when you win the contest (and we have) rather than being one that encourages fleet fights (hopefully without the excesses of Dominion Sov) like CCP has been advertising to us for 12 years

I can deal with tidi, I can't stomach games of whackamole much. Thankfully since very little SOV challenging is going on for about 200 light years around me, I don't have to worry about being called to a snore fleet very often. But it's a shame, CCP missed an opportunity to strengthen the sandbox (with a no-sov option) rather than dampen it with this over-engineered monstrosity called Aegis.