EVE General Discussion

Or possibly that most of the incursion community live in high sec. And thus don't do them in low and null because it's hostile space belonging to other corps and alliances....
But that doesn't fit so nicely with your story.
Nor does the fact that the communities have built themselves around being inclusive while low and null by their very nature require more closed trusted Corp groups.
Or the fact that some of those corps and alliances who live out there actually do do low sec and null incursions.

Citation required.

It is quite possible to gank incursion runners and your lack of imagination or inexperience is working against you.

They "failed" with the pipebomb because they panicked during the lag and turned on then off their smart bombs. if they had just hit the hotkeys once and let things roll it would of went far better. Regardless they still managed to get kills.

That's a lie.

My citation is the tax rate on NPC corps. Spend 20 minutes and look for yourself at an incursion. One man corps galore.

It is not. You can mess with them from the inside, or gank them when they move between incursions, but an active incursion with 4B tanked ships covered by attentive logi are invincible, at least to anyone without a hundred players and tens of billions of ISK to throw at the problem (which could still fail anyway due to server limitations). I don't have that.

Anything else are just stories you incursion runners tell yourselves around the campfire to scare each other. Like the boogeyman, they don't exist. You are 100% safe from gankers and the lack of ganks on the killboards proves that statistic.

Players will not have a choice - they are going to rage about the loss of their easy ISK no matter what. There is a clear pattern in that almost all changes since CCP Seagull has been in charge have been to increase risk for players (to stimulate loss and the economy) so it makes sense that that train is about to arrive in highsec.

Unless this incursion turns out to be just a one-off that goes for a few weeks, they will replace Sansha in all of highsec. Players will just move out of Domain and ignore them otherwise. I expect though that CCP will want to make sure they are working, so probably both will co-exist for a bit (maybe they'll be in the Throne Worlds for a few weeks/months, and when they spread to all of highsec is when Sansha leaves), but I also wouldn't be surprised if the day this goes on Tranquility is the day after the last Sansha incursion took place in highsec.

I meant that there would be less of an uproar if they just remove the old ones, rather than nerf the payout to the levels that would be necessary to make players choose the Drifter ones over the Sansha ones. It would be politically easier for CCP to claim they are replacing the old, tired incursions with exciting new ones. Then CCP isn't "nerfing" anything, just making them better.

In any case though people are going to whine and complain. It happened when they increased risk in wormholes with the spawning changes, and the change to warpable anomalies. Anytime CCP messes with people's comfortable income source there will be complaints.


It is just simple logic. There is no way an "easy" incursion can live next to a "hard" incursion. If they pay the same, 95% of the people will run the "easy" one. They cannot buff the "hard" payout significantly as incursions already pay a lot (see the CSM minutes I linked above) so the only choice is to reduce the payout for the "easy" or remove the "easy" completely.

Now it could a one-off event for lore, or provide some unique reward, or CCP could do something completely unexpected with them. I have no inside information. But really, incursions (and all NPC PvE really) are due for a revamp so I doubt CCP would spend the time developing this unless they intended to make them a permanent part of the game. If so, there is no real way for them to keep both incursions, at least if they want these new ones to be run at all.

We'll all find out in time I guess.

I can't believe you're so clueless that you actually think the best time to try to gank incursion runners is when their ships are using anti-gank fits and their bling isn't even guaranteed to be on board. No wonder you've had no success.

I've had several gank attempts on my main fleet and my booster. Unlike most incursion runners my booster has a fat tank (280k ehp) so it took 10 catas fairly easily. That gank fleet went on to take out a few boosters and some incursion runners (battleships). Those ganks caused people to mostly stop running incursions in that focus. I continued to run as I have logi that have 10x the EHP and 2x the repping power of logi normally used by public fleets. I did make damned sure to pay extra attention to local and dscan.

I have run from gank fleets before and I've gotten away simply because of either luck or because I pay attention to local and dscan (I'm always creating safe spots too).


At this point I'm torn in that while I would love to give you information on avenues of attack I also don't want to help someone attack me :P

Having to sacrifice one ship for every drifter you kill?

Think I'll pass on that one.

Nice to see Amarr getting smacked around by those mechanics though.

Not sure if you really failed to read the info or it was fake, thus swiftly discarded, but someone wrote that it was confirmed the Drifters incursions would spread to nearby systems ( if they aren't completed i suppose ). If this is true, it doesn't matter if you LIKEit or not, you'll just have to do those sites, unless you want every highsec system camped by Drifters. Once again, not sure if the information is correct, but if it is, then players will HAVE TO run those sites or suffer the consequences !

I'm talking about this quote:

So... a new type of incursion with ships that can Death Ray a bling boat.

And what's this? If nobody does the PVe it might affect the regions of the high-exalted PVP? I gotta look that one up.

Methinks CCP has gone "Viking" on us.


BRING THE PAIN!!!!!

I'm up to three accounts now, and for 8 out of 9 of my years playing I only had ONE.

If someone could try etnosis one drifter ship and then primary it might be would help.
Becusse when the etnosis thing was discover drifter attack them and if they did that is because they consider it a risk for them.