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So while I'm only just reaching Jump Drives in my training, so not directly involved I had a read of the Metrics.

Black Ops. More died, more ship kills by black ops. And that doesn't show what has happened with Covert Jump Bridges that don't directly involve the Black Ops.

Capitals. More Ship kills, more capitals died. With a downwards curve into Sov 5.0.

So according to the Metrics, Jump Fatigue has INCREASED use of Black Ops and Capitals, increased the number of things they have killed, and increased the number that died.
Why would we want to reverse something that has increased PvP?

Yes that metric is important, although a lot of that is likely due to CCP banning ISBoxing.

Also In recent communications CCP have stated that they were expecting a drop in subscribers during this "cleaning up" period. Changes such power projection and industry rebalance aren't going to draw players into the game but are essential for a solid foundation to build from.

Once CCP starts adding more actual content again then I believe that will bring players back. For instance these new structures, player built stargates, and opening up new areas of New Eden for players to explore will certainly get new people signing up and bring older players back.

1. Game developers created fatigue concept and related sov changes, please, resign while it is not too late.
2. People, please don't vote for CSM, if they support these changes
3. CCP created super power when they lost control of super capitals numbers and changing these ships. Changing focus to local battles CCP kicks out of the game the huge layer of players and ships. So re balance capitals manufacturing, stimulate fights and give players a weapon to easy destroy any capital, like update doomsday to destroy any number of capital ships in certain range by one shot or whatever you like.
4. Remove fatigue

First I want to say thanks for holding the meeting on the issue of Jump fatigue. It shows you care about the players that enjoy the game.

I want to stress that any changes to a game should involve 2 important things

1) It should work as it was intended to do

2) It should be a positive feedback from the majority of players that it impacts

most would agree it worked as intended but most wont agree it has been a positive impact.

For starters this game is very time consuming and the jump fatigue concept made that go to extremely time consuming to borderline is it worth my time anymore.

Take for example jump bridges used to be able to have at least 2 in a system which made it easy to move around and spend less time warping from gate to gate. It the went to 1 to satisfy a small group of roaming gangs and bring content which never truly happened except making trips thru space longer. Now you add on jump fatigue too it and you have to spend more time going thru gates or just log off for 1 hour or so. I spend less time online then I do and find it more enjoyable to play other games. I think jump fatigue through jump bridges should be based on if you travel through so many in a certain time you start to build jump fatigue.

I wont start on caps other then the mechanics have taken a very negative impact to just benefit a few. Couldn't tell you what a dread is anymore. BTW going gate to gate in caps brings back to borderline is it worth my time again.

I left this game for a year because it is too time consuming I came back and my stuff was 900000Trillion ly away from everyone I knew and when I came back I was hoping to experience the game again but realized the mistake I made by doing so.

I can name a few more things that is broken in this game but that is another topic.

There are a lot of people suggesting numbers tweaks or mechanic tweaks. I'm sure some permutation of them is going handle it. I would like to suggest another supplementary approach, which would be adding more NPC stations in sov null, or npc null pockets, such that there are easier paths to move and stage capitals across the map with. Even if we get some relief from the current state of hamstrung capitals and blops, moving them without the old instant cyno chains is still, at best, impractical considering how some regions are set up. Low Sec people have no problem generating cap fights for a number of reasons - smaller total area, every station is dockable, high density of capital heavy entities, etc, whereas you could not get a good cap fight in deep sov null any more; just not going to happen. Essentially, station availability really dictates where you can get enough caps in one place to have a good fight.



I think you are being overly dramatic and overly simplistic here. I doubt they are going to rollback the entire thing, rather they will try to give us a happy medium between capital omni-presence and capitals that can barely move. The world for capitals literally went from the map in 15 minutes to a 5 ly radius; air planes to ox-carts, surely there is a goldilocks zone where they are mobile enough to be useful without being faster than everything else. It is hilariously bad how safe local capital use is these days, from any perspective, be it ratting carriers or hot dropping everything with a pulse. Pretty much the only place that this stuff is actually punished is lowsec, where the population density is sufficient to have a 'local' response available.

Even if they lighten the fatigue changes, there's still FozzieSov - you can't pin the current state of New Eden purely on the Phoebe changes, rather the current map is a result of both Phoebe and Aegis plus their interaction. Making capitals slightly more mobile still wont give you control over the entire map, nor will it let you hold it. Its also interesting of note that Cloud Ring is one of the most hopping sov regions post Aegis - I would put a lot of this on its geography and easy of access. You aren't going to see a vibrant, Byzantine sov system flower in backwater regions no one can get to, which is what the Phoebe changes basically did - ensure some regions are just plain too hard to colonize or live in, or bother to invade. Cloud Ring can take contenders from Syndicate, Placid, Black Rise, Pure Blind, Fade....That is a region where geography ensures content even under the oppressive Phoebe changes, wheras Detorid or Insmother or some such are just....bleh.

You don't want to return to the days of playing checkers with capitals and zooming up across the board gobbling up everything smaller than you, but neither are we in a more sophisticated age of chess with capitals, where moves and counter-moves can be anticipated and countered - you need to be able to actually move in the first place for this to happen. The board is currently too big for any of the pieces to interact, and that leads to a dull game.

How bout the player base try this:
Realize that the Eve universe grew exponentially, and wherever you think "region", instead think "constellation", and then you might have a shot at having fun (or atleast providing feedback that doesn't just go back to the tidi riddled itty bitty universe we had before).

As you start reading some of the louder more persistent voices, just make that one shift in perspective while visualizing the argument, and things get alot more simple...you may even see a light at the end of the tunnel.

In other words, stop lamenting about how hard it is to hold an entire region and still fight in another, and focus on where we actually are; making constellations worth living in and fortifying, letting go of the desire to hand hold half the freakin universe, and enjoy fighting the guy that is actually next door (where next door is a constellation and not an entire region)...

First off, I'll begin by saying that I like the changes Jump Fatigue brought to Eve. I like that it rewards local capital ship superiority. I got into a lot more fun capital ship battles after Phoebe than before it. I also got to employ my Avatar in a small fleet fight for the first time ever - it wasn't simply insanity to bring out a single Titan to alter the outcome of a single battle. I didn't have to think about "Where is PL? Where is BL?" Sure, if things had gone south, some kind souls could have found a WH and helped finish me off, but at least I knew I was not going to face 50 Supercarriers in the next fifteen minutes. Jump Fatigue made Eve feel big again, which is a good thing.

With that said, the actual way that fatigue works is not the best gameplay. I wish that a more elegant solution could have been found. I still think they could have achieved a similar result by adjusting the distance between different regions, or otherwise adjusting the Eve map. More on this below, but first, I will answer Larrikin's questions:

Altering jump ranges - Jump Ranges are fine.

Altering jump fatigue curves - Jump Fatigue should cap out at a lower number. I have never had a fatigue timer of more than a couple of days, but I have been very careful about managing my fatigue. I think Jayne's suggestion of 120 hours seems okay, I would have gone for 72 hours myself.

Moving jump fatigue from character based to ship based - no, it needs to stay on the character. I do not need to see someone establish a "Pony Express" system for rapid movement. I suppose if Supercapital pilot prices keep dropping, people could theoretically begin establishing chains of pilots (jump Super to system, switch pilot, jump super, switch pilot, etc.), but maintaining more accounts is more financially burdensome than maintaining more ships in game. Also, good luck switching pilots without a chain of POS's, which is financially burdensome and a target to attack.

Alternative FTL systems (Hyperdrive anyone?) - no. The alternative FTL method is random wormholes.

Sovereignty effects on Jump Fatigue (e.g. jumping out of/back into capitals reducing jump fatigue) - sure, I guess. Not really convinced this needs to be a thing. Someone suggested that capital ships should be able to have a designated home station. This would be set the same way you set your medical clone or some similar mechanic. The further a capital ship got from that tether point, the more fatigue it incurred. There would be some timer associated with this (e.g. once a month), which limited how often you could move the tether point. Using the capital designation to achieve the same effect would be interesting. It helps the defenders entrench and employ local capital ship superiority even more than the current system.

Balance of Jump projection v's Gate projection v's Wormhole projection - I have not been able to play very much lately, but it seems to be okay.

Jump Fatigue effecting combat effectiveness instead of limiting movement - no, this is just a bad idea. The combat effectiveness penalty would have to affect the pilot, not the ship. Otherwise, people just jump a ton of stuff across the galaxy, then project subcapital power. And if it did affect the pilot, then that is another incentive to move, then log off. Eve needs less incentives to log off.

Move-Mode for Capitals for move ops (e.g. Transforming into move mode (24 hour process) reduces combat capacity to near 0) - no. If you can switch out of it at will, then you just go station to station with no penalties or risk, then switch modes. If you have to wait to switch modes (i.e. another timer), then that is another incentive to log off.

Active methods of reducing jump fatigue (Modules, Skills, Drugs) - Please no more skills. You would just make them essentially mandatory for all pilots. Same goes for modules, those just become something else everyone has to carry. Drugs, on the other hand, could present an interesting twist to it. Another option would be special fuel for the ship, which would reduce jump fatigue, but at a hefty price for a marginal benefit. This special fuel could be bulkier than normal fuel, more expensive than normal fuel, but cause less fatigue.

What does local-content mean to you? - local content to me means that there are always players who want to kill me within 5-30 gate jumps. It means roaming gangs come through on a regular basis, but space is not dominated by afk-cloaker hotdroppers. In Fountain or Delve, generally, we got quality WH visitors once or twice a week, and quality small gang visits from NPC residents at least 3-4 times per day. We could also go poke other people for more content. Local content means I can organize a small cruiser roam and say, "Tell your wife you will be ready for dinner in 90 minutes, we'll be back in our home station by then." If I can take 10-15 pilots on a roam, find things to begin stalking, chasing, or hunting within 15 minutes, spend 15-30 minutes fighting, then 30 minutes back home, then I am a happy small gang FC.

And you wonder why people who live in Empire never have null-sec's back whenever you guys are whining about something.

Go to hell.

So in effect, making long distance travel 4x more powerful than it is now.

Right.