Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If destructible stations come, they should only be player built stations in 0.0. If they are destroyed, they need to have 50% of the contents get destroyed. The other 50% ends up in a huge, indestructible wreck, which players can salvage to recover the station's contents. Once all the contents have been salvaged, the wreck goes away.

All this cuddly little "SOE fairies magic it off to another station" has no place in Eve - once people have an opportunity to decide how much risk they want to take. It would not be an incentive to come back to Eve if you resubscribed to find all your stuff had been blown up.

For that reason, implementation of this system would be preceded by the option to have a one-time move of all your possessions to any single 0.0 or low sec station. Possessions belonging to inactive players automatically get moved to the closest non-destructible station prior to implementation.

My own thoughts.

People docked:
Players who are currently docked get moved to a spot in the system via "Station Emergency Evacuation Catapult System" (SEECS for short), those who are offline then dissapear, those who are online are now in space as normal, but away from the station.

Loot:
Anything in shared corp/alliance storage acts the same as in a current POS CHA.

Personal Storage:
Ship hanger drops ships the same way as a current SMA if the structure is destroyed.

New item for players personal hangers, an emergency asset evac container. Basicly something like the current station containers and in a variety of sizes.
They act like the special PL style containers that were mentioned in the original post, thing that are in them are "safe" things that are left behind drop in a manner similar to current CHA mechanics.


Other ideas, "SEECS" module/rig for ships? So that if they're unpiloted they act similar to the PL style containers. Rig would be better, means there's an actual cost to using it.


Despite what was said in the OP there is a "safety mechanic" of sorts for starbases, people can move around in the shield and have options when it comes to moving things out (DST with a MJD, Sneaky cov ops stuff, if there's bubble cage you can warp out and in in anything. Vastly different to what will essentialy be a station camp with the new structures.




While I don't know how CCP handles the information, it should just be stored data (which just sits there) rather than something using server processing power. After all, if the player is unsubbed and they don't physicaly spawn in space until they warp to it who's going to be looking it up? An unsubbed player with a bunch of stuff in these containers should be no different than an unsubbed player with a bunch of stuff scattered around in stations.

From what I understand the new structures wont be locked to moons or planets but rather can be placed anywhere

Closest available planet then.



It's not remotely the same. Displaying and tracking entities in space is something completely different from moving database entries from one place to another. Server impact would be minimal.

At worst the database move could always be done during downtime, but CCP is always improving their server infrastructure. If something like this is ever implemented I'm assuming they'll do it in a way that does not put insane strain on the server.

To the newest dev blog I must say a few things:
First, players everywhere thank you for finding a happy medium on the loot pinata only dropping items that would have been normally just been lost in the normal destruction of a POS/build job. Players don't lose more than they would have normally, and the attackers can have some loot.
Second, love the way vulnerability is designed for these. THIS is what sov vulnerability should be changed into as well!



Below are a few concerns and what I feel is an acceptable adaptation:

1- Delivery of personal/corp assets

5-20 days is seriously way too long, especially for a service you're telling us we need to pay for (based on market values we all know are never correct). I suggest the following:
-Flat rate based on distance to station/structure being delivered to.
-Free xfer: 2 weeks
-Paid xfer: 48 hours (delivery fee)
-Rush paid xfer: 1 hour (X% market + delivery fee)

Remember EVE is still a game. You are asking players in some areas to literally stop playing the game for 5-20 days after losing a battle. A 48 hour lockout simply makes more sense as "punishment" for not defending your structure, anything more than that is simply kicking a player while they're down and encouraging them to look elsewhere for their entertainment. And some players keep most of their wealth in assets, given the time limit to made a decision a free option that keeps them locked out for an extended period before delivery makes sense where as those in a rush to receive some of their items ASAP may pay for rushed delivery.
I say this with emphasis on WH players who will be living out of these structures. Telling them they effectively can't play for 5 days even after they rebuild the structure will not go over well.


Secondly, any sort of delivery service for destroyed structures can and will be "abused" by larger entities with massive amounts of isk. But designing mechanics to avoid such abuse to the detriment of the individual player is still bad game design. Remember you have the power to leave such fringe abuse cases possible and make a statement warning that abuse will result in bans and loss of alliance assets and leave it at that.


2- *edit* misread the time to move assets as having a time limit. so this point is null.


3- Super cap relocation
If you lost the fight for a timer, the likelihood of your being able to return to that space and construct a new XL structure in that same system is extremely unlikely. You are effectively saying it's gone forever.
Simply put, you need to allow the option for these to be thrown into the nearest alliance XL citadel or to be picked up from a cloaked container a random location in space placing it's location within the player's journal.

Again, CCP you can take a stance against abuse cases they won't be hard to identify. You need to design mechanics around what is fair for the individual player keeping in mind limited playtime, and the time and effort the individual had to put into obtaining these assets to begin with. You need to give them a fair -not perfectly safe- chance at recovery.



Just those three things need looking at in my opinion. And raising awareness to the problems now will do us a lot of good so it doesn't become another jump fatigue or aegis sov fiasco where Tranq become test server 2.0.

You are 100% correct on that, I reread those blogs three times and each time I kept reading 5 days to make a choice. I'm terribly sorry and made the edit.

And I never said you can choose where it goes, but the act of making a structure and throwing everyone's assets into a single corp tab then killing the structure with an alt alliance to quickly transport goods is abuse of the system and what I am referring to.

EDIT: should post in the thread that actually might be read.

I just thought of a funny idea.


You get some cheaper citadel and ask allies to put it up in your system, then load it with all your pyerite... and BOOM... it's in the lowsec in 5 days.

Cheapest jump freighter service ever.

One way to approach this feature would be to get a new line of containers, specifically for the hangars and inventory with emergency jumpdrives, which will bring the stuff to nearest npc station.

Blueprints and manufacturing leaves the Security of assets in the hands of the players, and even how much of the assets to be secure.
This will leave unsecure assets for drops if station gets blown.

Second feautre of this line of containers could be, if allowed trough the assets menu, to be retrived
In cases where stations are flipped, inactivity which turnes the area hostile or just moving out.
This will also remove asset movements from GM's, and allow players going afk a quick route out of harms way.

Yes, this will interfere a small bit with jf's role, but not so much as you would think as it is a one jump to npc.
You can also consider fuel requirments, towards what range these "liferafts" need to go, to balance things off.

Hope this makes sence to some.